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AIBU to think that Digital ID will not stop illegal immigration, and nor is it a good idea?

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Westfacing · 25/09/2025 16:08

How will this prevent boat crossings?

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WilfredsPies · 28/09/2025 14:02

smallglassbottle · 28/09/2025 10:21

They probably feel fed up, but how are delivery companies getting away with employing illegal migrants? Nobody in the government is capable of addressing this? Id cards won't make a jot of difference to the thousands of employers who are quite happily getting away with employing people illegally. If they're getting away with it now, they'll get away with it when id is introduced.

The so called id card is about tracking and controlling the existing population, not controlling immigration.

When Starmer was asked in an interview would he be loyal to Davos or Parliament he answered Davos. This malignant entity has absolutely no loyalty to our country and does not intend to put us first, or even second. He's an utter snake (no insult to snakes).

I’d think that they’re getting away with it through a combination of lots of different reasons.

There have got to be huge numbers of existing businesses spread over wide areas for immigration to work their way through, and limited numbers of immigration staff to visit each business. I can’t imagine that they’d be able to visit many businesses in a single shift, bearing in mind the risk assessments that would be required for each visit, and the paperwork and witness statements that would need to be written in case of any potential prosecution or appeal, as well as organising the processing of anyone found to be there illegally; you’d need hundreds of arrest trained officers working morning, noon and night to deal with all of them and bearing in mind that public services have been decimated in recent years, I wouldn’t think that immigration escaped budget cuts.

And quite possibly the need to catch someone in the act of working illegally. It’s not as though these companies have a central office in each town to raid where employees base themselves out of, that immigration officers could raid, while being able to access employers records at the same time. The standard of proof would have to be quite high if you’re talking potential prison sentences. And there would, quite rightly, be uproar if immigration started pulling over delivery drivers as they leave takeaways on the basis that they looked a bit foreign. Even the police have to have grounds to conduct a Stop & Search, and not being white isn’t anywhere near close to being a justification. And immigration have to have branded vehicles, so even if a takeaway restaurant allowed them to come in and question drivers as they turned up, anyone working illegally would just see the vans and turn around, never to be seen again. It’s not as though immigration could raid a central payroll/HR dept in the afternoon to get the documentary evidence and then nip back out to a random town 300 miles away in the evening to identify each of the employees and check that they are who’ve they’ve told the employer they are.

I think, logistically, it sounds an absolute nightmare. And, of course, they also hire people completely lawfully as well, who are probably unlikely to be able to prove their immigration status/nationality and right to work at 10pm on a Saturday night outside McDonalds (I wouldn’t be able to, would you?)

It strikes me that if they need to direct their resources to the places they’d have the best results, as most places do these days, it makes more sense to stick to restaurants and factories and nail bars etc. Wasting days of background work, then sending a team of officers out to potentially get nobody isn’t the best use of tax payers money.

But otherwise I agree with you that it’s not going to impact immigration in any respect, at all. I don’t know if Starmer is a liar, an idiot, a dictator in his early days or is just panicking and clutching at straws, willing to listen to anyone who tells him that they happen to know a delightful young man named Euan who has developed an App that could solve all his problems. Whichever it is, it’s a terrifying prospect surpassed only by the alternatives. How tf did we get here?

MrsM1ggins · 28/09/2025 14:26

My concern is the obvious ability to create a social credit system with it, much as they have in China. Criticise the government? Now you can't buy a train ticket.

And you can bet that police officers will be all "papers please" with everyone as soon as the ID exists which is what happened before they were abolished in 1952 abolition of Identity Cards — Adam Smith Institute share.google/zofjwKcYqSXocCQrJ The abolition of Identity Cards — Adam Smith Institute share.google/zofjwKcYqSXocCQrJ

smallglassbottle · 28/09/2025 15:12

The behaviour of some police officers these days doesn't fill me with confidence. You can guarantee that such a system would be abused. Malice and stupidity would have the same result and people's cards would be marked.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 28/09/2025 15:15

smallglassbottle · 28/09/2025 13:35

Notice how all the Ai data processing centres are being built? That's not so we can ask Ai inane questions or get it to tell jokes. It's to provide the processing power that's required to deal with all this data we'll be generating about ourselves.

Good point!

NettleandBramble · 28/09/2025 15:31

If it stops people working then it surely will because you have to have a means of gaining money to get by

IdaGlossop · 28/09/2025 19:28

I'm feeling rather annoyed with Reform, Rupert Lowe and Tommy Robinson groupies rubbishing every move the government makes to 'stop the boats' and making snide comments about the new Home Secretary's religion. It's a complex problem - pull factors, gangs, ease of finding work in the UK - and different approaches will, separately and collectively, start to make inroads.

So far, we have: one-in, one-out deal with France; changes to the interpretation of human rights legislation; change to asylum application process so that all relevant factors must be declared on entering the country; change to German law to criminalise supply of inflatable boats; pending change to French law to allow gendarmes to intercept boats up to 300m from the shore; the ability to complete asylum claims documentation from outside the UK; increased numbers of deportation; likelihood of Ministry of Defence estate being used to house migrants; closure of migrant hotels by 2029; repatriation of criminals; and digital ID cards to reduce illegal working; negotiation on new returns agreements. I think Shabana Mahmood will go further, changing the guidelines on ECHR provision as appied in UK courts more radically. She's also making sensible remarks about the threat irregular migration is posing to community cohesion, and the risks the current hostile environment poses for 'people who look like her.

ID cards, provided the technology works, will make a difference as they will enable the government to identify employers with implausible low staffing levels ie those employing irregular labour, and take action against them. The ease of finding irregular work because we have no ID cards us what makes the UK particularly attractive.

MrsM1ggins · 28/09/2025 19:56

Isn't the one-in, one-out actually 2 in, one out?

An illegal enters, is returned to France and a different person comes to the UK instead? So the net result is still +1, just a different person.

EasternStandard · 28/09/2025 20:08

IdaGlossop · 28/09/2025 19:28

I'm feeling rather annoyed with Reform, Rupert Lowe and Tommy Robinson groupies rubbishing every move the government makes to 'stop the boats' and making snide comments about the new Home Secretary's religion. It's a complex problem - pull factors, gangs, ease of finding work in the UK - and different approaches will, separately and collectively, start to make inroads.

So far, we have: one-in, one-out deal with France; changes to the interpretation of human rights legislation; change to asylum application process so that all relevant factors must be declared on entering the country; change to German law to criminalise supply of inflatable boats; pending change to French law to allow gendarmes to intercept boats up to 300m from the shore; the ability to complete asylum claims documentation from outside the UK; increased numbers of deportation; likelihood of Ministry of Defence estate being used to house migrants; closure of migrant hotels by 2029; repatriation of criminals; and digital ID cards to reduce illegal working; negotiation on new returns agreements. I think Shabana Mahmood will go further, changing the guidelines on ECHR provision as appied in UK courts more radically. She's also making sensible remarks about the threat irregular migration is posing to community cohesion, and the risks the current hostile environment poses for 'people who look like her.

ID cards, provided the technology works, will make a difference as they will enable the government to identify employers with implausible low staffing levels ie those employing irregular labour, and take action against them. The ease of finding irregular work because we have no ID cards us what makes the UK particularly attractive.

So far numbers are still rising and there were three deaths in the channel this week, including a child.

A lot of this is for headline copy which isn’t impacting much.

smallglassbottle · 28/09/2025 22:34

IdaGlossop · 28/09/2025 19:28

I'm feeling rather annoyed with Reform, Rupert Lowe and Tommy Robinson groupies rubbishing every move the government makes to 'stop the boats' and making snide comments about the new Home Secretary's religion. It's a complex problem - pull factors, gangs, ease of finding work in the UK - and different approaches will, separately and collectively, start to make inroads.

So far, we have: one-in, one-out deal with France; changes to the interpretation of human rights legislation; change to asylum application process so that all relevant factors must be declared on entering the country; change to German law to criminalise supply of inflatable boats; pending change to French law to allow gendarmes to intercept boats up to 300m from the shore; the ability to complete asylum claims documentation from outside the UK; increased numbers of deportation; likelihood of Ministry of Defence estate being used to house migrants; closure of migrant hotels by 2029; repatriation of criminals; and digital ID cards to reduce illegal working; negotiation on new returns agreements. I think Shabana Mahmood will go further, changing the guidelines on ECHR provision as appied in UK courts more radically. She's also making sensible remarks about the threat irregular migration is posing to community cohesion, and the risks the current hostile environment poses for 'people who look like her.

ID cards, provided the technology works, will make a difference as they will enable the government to identify employers with implausible low staffing levels ie those employing irregular labour, and take action against them. The ease of finding irregular work because we have no ID cards us what makes the UK particularly attractive.

Pissing about around the edges more like. None of this is having an effect and the digital id will have no discernible effect anyway. If it's that good, why does France have so many migrants? The government want these people to come here. They're practically laying out the red carpet. The demographics in my northern village have completely changed since Labour came to power.

IdaGlossop · 29/09/2025 01:01

smallglassbottle · 28/09/2025 22:34

Pissing about around the edges more like. None of this is having an effect and the digital id will have no discernible effect anyway. If it's that good, why does France have so many migrants? The government want these people to come here. They're practically laying out the red carpet. The demographics in my northern village have completely changed since Labour came to power.

It may be 'pissing around the edges'. It's too soon to tell if it's too little, too late as some of the measures I have listed have yet to be put in place while others have only just begun. Posters on MN who have worked or do work for the Home Office have cited ID as the one thing that would most act as a deterrent. The UK is particularly targeted because of the ease of securing work in the black economy. All major European countries are struggling with this issue to a greater or lesser extent. Many of the migrants in France are waiting to come to the UK.

It makes no sense either to blame Labour, as thousands of migrants came in on small boats under the Conservatives, or to say the government wants people to come here. The government wants to stay in power. Promoting such an unpopular measure would lose it power in 2029 (when it will probably lose anyway). The UK's debt virtually equals its GDP. It makes no sense for the government to actively increase a hotel bill already totalling £2 billion a year.

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RubySquid · 29/09/2025 03:36

smallglassbottle · 28/09/2025 10:21

They probably feel fed up, but how are delivery companies getting away with employing illegal migrants? Nobody in the government is capable of addressing this? Id cards won't make a jot of difference to the thousands of employers who are quite happily getting away with employing people illegally. If they're getting away with it now, they'll get away with it when id is introduced.

The so called id card is about tracking and controlling the existing population, not controlling immigration.

When Starmer was asked in an interview would he be loyal to Davos or Parliament he answered Davos. This malignant entity has absolutely no loyalty to our country and does not intend to put us first, or even second. He's an utter snake (no insult to snakes).

The delivery companies are not employing illegals deliberately. If you actually KNEW anything about how they would then maybe you would realise this.

To become a driver on the appa then you need to prove right to work, and prove insurance for vehicles( not pushbikes). You then get a sterling criminal record check . Once you've passed all these you can then get an account

The problem occurs when registered drivers then " rent" their accounts out to others.

The companies are now trying to overcome this by making rider/drivers do video is before starting shifts. Some of them then randomly turfing you off the app and you have to do the video id again before continuing .

So the companies are obviously trying to sort this But always someone bending the rules

Westfacing · 29/09/2025 08:02

The demographics in my northern village have completely changed since Labour came to power.

In one year?

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EsmaCannonball · 29/09/2025 08:05

There's very little difference between employing illegal immigrants deliberately and designing your business model around cheap, precarious, zero-rights labour that creates the conditions for illegality to flourish. These companies have no investment in society and will only care when a severe labour shortage forces them to care.

smallglassbottle · 29/09/2025 10:14

Westfacing · 29/09/2025 08:02

The demographics in my northern village have completely changed since Labour came to power.

In one year?

Yip. Apparently there was a push to bring people up here and it's overwhelmed some communities in terms of infrastructure and community cohesion so it's been halted in my area for the time being. We have a Reform controlled council and they said enough is enough. It's a poor and deprived part of the country and people are struggling day to day.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/09/2025 10:50

The problem occurs when registered (delivery) drivers then " rent" their accounts out to others

Unfortunately the same applies with taxis and private hire vehicles, @RubySquid

Realising there's more money to be made by providing a 24/7 service, there's a major issue in my own area with drivers simply handing the keys to their brother/cousin/whoever, even to the extent of cars turning up with no plates or any other type of registration

And it goes without saying that the local council won't touch it ...

YelloDaisy · 29/09/2025 13:27

Customers could ask to see driving licence or id. Why don’t they - I would.
I might start asking for id for the many different delivery guys who comeby

expecting the council to run around waylaying ta is is an expensive way to do it the public should report suspicions -at least that’s a start. Write to your mp see what they suggest

Westfacing · 29/09/2025 13:29

smallglassbottle · 29/09/2025 10:14

Yip. Apparently there was a push to bring people up here and it's overwhelmed some communities in terms of infrastructure and community cohesion so it's been halted in my area for the time being. We have a Reform controlled council and they said enough is enough. It's a poor and deprived part of the country and people are struggling day to day.

I'm not picking a fight here but how big/small is your village that the demographic has been 'completely changed' in one year?

I know the North East is overwhelmingly white and there are pockets of deprivation but why shouldn't you take a share of refugees... there are poor and deprived areas in London too!

Low income families struggle day to day all over the UK.

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RubySquid · 30/09/2025 04:08

EsmaCannonball · 29/09/2025 08:05

There's very little difference between employing illegal immigrants deliberately and designing your business model around cheap, precarious, zero-rights labour that creates the conditions for illegality to flourish. These companies have no investment in society and will only care when a severe labour shortage forces them to care.

Well in reality the delivery apps are t " employing " anyone. The riders are all self employed

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 01/10/2025 08:36

Link to UK Government & Parliament Petition
Do not introduce Digital ID cards

please sign and share
currently standing at 2,664,068

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/10/2025 10:17

RubySquid · 30/09/2025 04:08

Well in reality the delivery apps are t " employing " anyone. The riders are all self employed

I think the companies are still supposed to check they're eligible to work in the UK though?

As if they'll bother about a trifle like that ...

RubySquid · 01/10/2025 13:26

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/10/2025 10:17

I think the companies are still supposed to check they're eligible to work in the UK though?

As if they'll bother about a trifle like that ...

They do. It's the drivers on rented accounts that are dodgy Nor ones with accounts in their own name

So do you actually have any knowledge of the system or are you bleating a narrative

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 01/10/2025 16:19

Anyone wanting to know why this matters watch

YelloDaisy · 02/10/2025 09:41

smallglassbottle · 28/09/2025 22:34

Pissing about around the edges more like. None of this is having an effect and the digital id will have no discernible effect anyway. If it's that good, why does France have so many migrants? The government want these people to come here. They're practically laying out the red carpet. The demographics in my northern village have completely changed since Labour came to power.

France has so many migrants because Algeria was a colony and is a stones throw away- I mean we don’t get many Venezuelan immigrants in Europe (but prob will soon thanks to Trump blocking his borders)

summerlovingvibes · 03/10/2025 07:48

The petition has had a response.

Basically the government have said "tough shit we're introducing it". They have said it won't be compulsory, but will be required for several things such as the right to work. Employers will have to do "right to work checks" therefore anyone wanting to work in the UK will need to have one.

I feel fuming as would like them to have at least acknowleged the huge number of signatures the petition gained and the clear outcry for a proper consultation on the matter.

I will not stop is illegal immigrants coming the government are trying to use this as an excuse to say it's a good idea. It will not make any difference. People that want to employ illegal immigrants will continue to do so and cash in hand jobs will remain!