AIBU to think that Digital ID will not stop illegal immigration, and nor is it a good idea?

[Westfacing]

How will this prevent boat crossings?

Yes this sums it up. Many good posts on this thread @EsmaCannonballpost too re access and control

How is this what we’re looking at? Incredible

They probably feel fed up, but how are delivery companies getting away with employing illegal migrants? Nobody in the government is capable of addressing this? Id cards won't make a jot of difference to the thousands of employers who are quite happily getting away with employing people illegally. If they're getting away with it now, they'll get away with it when id is introduced.

The so called id card is about tracking and controlling the existing population, not controlling immigration.

When Starmer was asked in an interview would he be loyal to Davos or Parliament he answered Davos. This malignant entity has absolutely no loyalty to our country and does not intend to put us first, or even second. He's an utter snake (no insult to snakes).

Starmer has announced the building of 11 new towns across the uk. What's to bet BlackRock are 'investing' in these - Starmer had a meeting with them about a month ago - then rent the homes out, as opposed to allowing people to buy them as affordable homes.

'You will own nothing and be happy'.

BlackRock and Vanguard will own the UK in time. They will buy up housing stock leaving nothing for anyone but the rich. The future is endless rental and subscriptions to things which will keep people trapped and without choices and freedom.

This country is being destroyed by these people. Starmer just needs to stay in place long enough to cause some damage then hand the baton to the next WEF owned twat and rinse and repeat.

Do you have a phone that fits in a trouser pocket?

I need a new phone, mine is ancient, but all the phones I've looked at are too big to go in the pocket of my jeans and I don't want to have to carry a bag everywhere.

Agree. And if you’re unhappy about it who cares you’ll need services right? Or access to bank accounts.

Not just old people, either.

I've just retired, but I was working with clients with MH issues for decades. A lot of them refused to have smartphones because they believed the government would use it to track them and monitor what they were doing and stuff like that.

And why should people on low incomes be forced to take out contracts for smartphones when they can manage perfectly well with a cheap burner phone?

I’m in favour if it stops people using the NHS if they are not entitled. We were in Greece recently and had to make use of their health service whilst on holiday. Obviously we had health insurance, so we’re ok. Why is it assumed that the NHS is. Free for all? I think ID would be helpful in preventing abuse.

If you were a nurse or doctor and someone presented themselves to you in hospital without ID you’d not treat them? I dont want that world.

What happens if someone is unconscious after a RTA do they get the NHS?

Exactly, it wouldn’t work. Can you imagine the uproar if people did try to prevent abuse of the system by denying treatment to those without the ID, or even those not entitled to it?

The attempt to set up an integrated IT system for the NHS cost £10bn and it never got off the ground. They might as well have ripped up a billion tenners and flushed them down the bog.

That was several years ago, when £10bn was worth a lot more, too.

I would assume they would get treated, and then billed later, once their identity was known, @EasternStandard.

Ok I expect law abiding people pay their bill now without an ID scheme and those that don’t will ignore a bill later.

I don't have a huge problem with having an ID card per se, but I would object to being required to carry one about my person at all times. I keep my driving licence, library ticket and bus pass in my purse along with all my other cards, and if I'm just popping to the local shop, I stick my bank card in my pocket.

But when I'm going for a walk near my house, I don't bother with any of it and often don't even take my phone*. I like being uncontactable for that hour or so, and hearing just the sounds of nature. I even get pissed off if I encounter someone having a loud phone chat while walking through the woods.

It's the digital aspect of this proposal that bothers me, and its scope for possible abuse if we ever get a government that's minded to use mass surveillance, along with the requirement to have a smartphone.

*This freaks my SIL out no end. She regards it as positively dangerous, despite me pointing out that I'm not out bagging Munros, I'm in Sussex, on the edge of a town and it's vanishingly rare for me not to encounter another human.

Employers are already obliged to investigate if people are allowed to work - many obviously don't do this, so I don't think they will be checking new official ID

Precisely, OP, and anyway I've no doubt the fake IDs will follow all too soon

No point in expecting it to be a "gateway" to such as the NHS either, when "That's not our job" is already so widely seen on the subject of checking

Looking on the bright side though, someone will doubtless make a nice sum (a Dido-like £37 billion?) out of developing it

As much as I dislike Jacob Rees Mogg, he does sum up the concerns pretty well in this video.

The 'id card' is not for means of identification.

It also doesn't matter whether or not you carry it around with you/have app on phone at home etc. Your activities will still be recorded on it - bank activity, shopping, health etc. in the fullness of time. We also can't refuse it because it's issued to our identity automatically, like our NI or NHS number. The government will probably get the phone companies, Google, whatever to install the app automatically on our phones. We may even have to log in or we won't be able to access our banking app or something.

I think this ‘mission creep’ will be inevitable and be as described above. We will sleepwalk into it.

How long before we're issued with a meat ration that will be recorded? Once we've reached it, shops won't be able to sell us any more meat products, or alcohol, or sweet things to obese people because the NHS will know our BMI and any related obesity health difficulties. We might only be able to travel a certain number of miles in our cars and then, no more ability to buy petrol or charge them up. Or we'll have to pay extra to make that necessary trip. We won't even be able to pay a neighbour to bake us a sneaky cake because, digital currency. We'll have to barter. A chicken for a cake? Only we won't be able to access independent farmers or even chicken feed. No more cash, no more freedom, everything tracked, restricted, controlled.

See where this is going? And don't claim it won't either. This is just the start.

So — it should be on your phone but it isn’t for one reason or another
Will your phone recognise this and then prevent you from travelling or shopping, for example. We just do not know.
This may not even be possible yet but could be in future. Has the government considered this? And considered it to be a plus point? Agan we do not know and I think we should.
Let’s get some denials on the record.

Over about the next 10-15 years, not overnight. It'll be a gradual creep of "Oo, this is a good idea, let's include health details, that'll be handy" sort of thing. It'll be argued as a way of solving a problem - like the migrants - only it won't solve anything in reality.

Notice how all the Ai data processing centres are being built? That's not so we can ask Ai inane questions or get it to tell jokes. It's to provide the processing power that's required to deal with all this data we'll be generating about ourselves.

Yep