Migrants get up to £2000 on bankcard after prison sentences

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Just watched 47 migrants being deported, costing hundreds of thousands, private flights, huge number of security guards, the migrants then get given cash cards! Back to Romania after committing crimes here including murder, sexual offences, pedophiles with money to help them resettle in their own country.

ITV news - our own go hungry and cold.

We are total mugs here in the UK.

On a separate story migrants having taxis to appointments, free NHS. I mean we have to get to our own way.

Mugs. No wonder many people are unhappy. These are convicted criminals, being pandered to.

So homeless people shouldn't be able to access proper healthcare now? You see nothing wrong with that?

Well why don’t you show us your maths skills, and tell us how we pay for all of these millions of economic migrants? We have been asking exactly this for the last 20 years and there is total tumbleweed - always

The process to get the facilitated return fee is extremely long and convoluted, no one is coming back and forth to do that.

I don’t doubt that there are some Romanians (and other nationals) committing fraud but it’s not for the facilitated return fee. They would need to commit a crime that jails them for 12 months + and then await the process of deportation. Literally no one is doing that.

If you’e a fraudster, you would want a lot more than £2,000 from your fraud. Use your noggin, mate 🤣

True - but deportation and £0 would be cheaper still. They’re really not our problem once deported.

My Mond is boggled that anyone would vote for Farage but there you go

Erm, it is being facilitated on an industrial scale my friend. It is not hard to come back fgs! Couldn’t be easier currently! Bloody hell you need to wake up.

Have you seen how much Trump is spending on making it 'unprofitable to arrive'? He spent more on ICE in 6 months than the entire 15 years previous. ICE's budget is now greater than almost every country's military budget. The last cheque signed off to fund it was $170 billion.

But then the UK could be sued at the European Court of Human Rights, which would cost millions.

I'll start by saying I'm very liberal left leaning and pro immigration (though we've had an incompetent government that can't actually manage to create any infrastructure to support immigration, but that's another issue...)

The thing is, in the grand scheme of things is this a big deal? Do I think we should hand taxpayer money to murderers? When you put it like that, no. But it's overall cheaper than keeping them here or fighting their right to appeal.

Ultimately it's 47 people. The amount of money is negligible. There are so many more important issues facing this country, like the amount of untaxed wealth that could go to building the infrastructure we need. I'm tired of reformers harping on about immigrants to the detriment of every other issue and honestly just feels like an excuse for people to be xenophobic and I'm sick of it.

And the £600 taxis taking place? The billions being paid out to hotels? All just nothing?

@BrisPermsorry do you actually work in homelessness? I do, so allow me to speak about my experience. If you offer hotels to the many, many homeless people in the UK today, many would say no. Many would trash it. That’s just the facts. I like the people I support and they often have histories of trauma, abuse, addiction, shit parents, untreated mental illness, neurodivergent brains, learning needs which they have never been helped with, but often there are complex reasons why they end up street homeless. It’s not always a lack of a home.
Local authorities will offer emergency housing, and will put British people up in hotels. I have witnessed it hundreds of times. But some people burn their bridges. Some people I work with have flats and choose to sleep in a tent outside as they feel safer. Some like the community of street life. Some find houses or flats, front doors etc really triggering. Some find it too solitary. Some find it too sanitised and miss the every day fight or flight, trying to survive aspect of street life. That’s not romanticising it.
The two problems are unrelated.

This. They're not our problem and if they've been convicted of any crime they shouldn't be able to fight deportation. They lost any right to appeal against being deported when they committed the crime.

The teenager who flung a giant armchair off the balcony of a shopping centre, totally uncaring about who he might kill or paralyse, needed a Somali interpreter in court. Presumably, as a minor (let's hope that someone has actually checked he really is), he won't ever be deported. What joys he'll be bringing us in future. Definite boon to the UK and its economy.

That's an upfront cost to deal with past incompetence (and don't think 170bn is that much in context of US and v to put in context its estimated the Boriswave will cost us over £200bn for a much smaller country). Going forward it will save money.

I wonder what all of the fuss is about then? And why Labour are bleeding out in the approval polls? And why reform are gaining such widespread support across all classes up and down the country? All because of 47 people - JFC 🥴

Got any evidence that Romanians (or any other nationals) are deliberately committing crimes to get themselves jailed for 12 months and then waiting for the convoluted process of deportation to end so they can get £2,000?

Because that looks like a very poor return on investment. All that effort for earning what equates to £100 per month?

Why would they do that when they could get more on Job seeker’s allowance?

Difference is I don’t have that mentality at all. I would tinker with the immigration system, though probably not as much as I’d change health, foreign policy, education, housing, etc But in the grand scheme of things I just can’t get worked up about it.

Yes that's why Farage wants to leave the ECHR

• you're making his case for him.

That's not what this thread is about.

If the Tories hasn't created such a huge backlog to process immigrants we wouldn't be spending so much to house them while they wait to be processed. Am sick of seeing people blame immigrants for our government's failings. They didn't come here to spend 2 years in a small hotel room waiting to be processed. For the most part immigrants want to work and contribute and it's our government's fault that many can't for a long time

You do know that I was referring to far left Marxists on this thread, right?

You’d like to direct people’s attentions to other problems, but many people feel this is one of the more important issues facing the country, and your attempts to minimise it by dismissing the numbers as small and insignificant is part of the problem. The number shouldn’t even be small - the number should be zero. And it’s not xenophobic to say so.

Now, now, don't go troubling people with actual facts, @NoSoupForU ! 😉

Nigel Farage is the leader of Reform, a newly formed party who have very little in the term of policy detail but want us to believe that immigration is the primary issue in this country.

This is despite the fact that Nigel Farage was a significant reason we had Brexit which has seen a huge rise in the rise of small boats.

Nigel Farage portrays himself as anti-establishment and a "man of the people" despite the fact he went to one of the most exclusive schools in the country, was a city trader and set up a trust in the Isle of Man to offset his tax burden.

I can't find a recent poll which gives the 79% figure. You Gov recently did a poll and found that immigration is high up on the agenda but that perceptions of the British public were out of kilter with reality. Also, that polls do not differentiate between illegal (the thing that Nigel increased with Brexit) and legal immigration and the British public are being pushed to believe that illegal immigration is much higher than it is.

You would be happy to lose your basic human rights like right to life, fair trial, freedom from torture?

You would be like Russia, and heading into Nazi Germany.

Most countries would refuse to trade with us.

In the three most recent national polls, Reform are leading Labour by 8%, 3% and 9%. Let’s average it to 7%. Not a fan of Starmer but Farage’s supporters are getting a bit ahead of themselves if they think a 7% lead four years before a general election is going to hold up - when basically every single Angry About Immigration voter is already factored in (they’ve been hovering around 30% for months) and Labour support is at its lowest possible ebb. All it needs is for Labour to change leader, or Starmer to start governing for the country rather than Daily Mail readers, and Labour will still win more seats at the next GE.