Violet Affleck and mask mandates

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AIBU think that this shouldn’t be encouraged? Violet Affleck advocating for mask mandates. Daughter of Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck. Speaking about the importance of masks. Says we should still be wearing them to curb the spread of Covid 19.
Shouldn’t a young privileged woman be enjoying her youth? Is there a reason for fit healthy people like her to still walk around in masks?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15127909/violet-affleck-mask-mandates-long-covid-ben-jennifer-garner.html

The part you are missing is….

Some people are still shielding, yes, that is because their personal risk from covid or any infection, hasn’t changed, whether it’s been 1 year or 5 years or 10 years, they still are immunocompromised or have something that makes them more vulnerable to infection. The fact that people go around spreading infections means that it is actually more dangerous for these people than at the height of the pandemic because there are no longer safeguards in place (especially in healthcare settings.)

These people can be different from some other people who have decided they are happy to not keep getting ill and continue to live their daily lives whilst taking some precautions. For example, Violet, who is still giving speeches at the UN and attending premieres etc whilst taking these precautions and campaigning for a better future. Many productions and performances are still taking precautions. Taylor Swifts recent tour for example, she had “a bubble” and they used masks and testing to prevent illness. Many movie sets and tv sets still have covid precautions to reduce the risk of infection on the cast and crew. These things aren’t front and centre, so it’s easy to pretend they don’t exist.

I can absolutely understand the psychological aspect of the groups still isolating, but I can also understand that people just telling them it’s all over, when it is still a risk for them, is much more damaging psychologically.
The risk is still there for them. Gaslighting them to thinking it’s not, and calling it their anxiety and OCD is massively missing the point, that the risk hasn’t gone away.

So whilst on a population level, covid may seem mild, on an individual level, for those people any infection could mean weeks of hospital stay, never recovering to baseline or death. And the worst thing is people like you telling them to get over it and making it out to be a personal failure and their own mental health issues.

Without considering that the back to normal crowd also need to deal with their own anxiety.

And the best way isn’t to pretend it didn’t happen or doesn’t still happen.

IMO a big rise in mental health diagnosis is down to there actually being lots of “scary” things happening in the world and the people who should be helping work through these thoughts, actually feed it by not accepting it as a threat, and making it a pathological issue in the person feeling it, rather than acknowledging the actual threat Eg. Climate change, war, health.

People don’t need an ignorant reassurer - they need a competence and understanding of the facts.

does she wear one to suit the occasion? prob not when holidaying in St.Barts or skiing in Vail

You mean she maybe doesn’t wear one in low density of people situations when outside, but does wear one in densely populated areas and inside, (like in really busy NYC this week.)

I can never hear anything about Vail without hearing Rachel from Friends in my head going 'Shoop, shoop, shoop...'

<end of irrelevant derail> As you were, people.

But, OP. Wait for it, wait for it.......wait for it!!!!! IT'S VASCULAR!!!!! WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!!!!

So there wasn't a violent attack??? Misleading thread title then....

This is why I should never go into MN without my reading glasses 😂

There are lots of research studies that show although covid is a respiratory disease it does have many effects on the vascular system and vascular function.

You can read the articles and papers quite easily yourself and can also find information given by charities and healthcare institutions.

This is what I mean. You make people taking some precautions out to be mentally ill, but I’d say the mentally ill are those who can see the evidence, experience it and live it, and still deny it exists. Because they’re more scared of admitting to themselves there is a valid risk.

There is so much research.

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11122535/

Do you have a problem with facts or just this specific one?

It is a slightly odd preoccupation for a university student, and hard to imagine that she got to speak to the UN just because she is a Yale student, there are thousands of them who never speak to the UN.

Anyway - the evidence that masks work to prevent respiratory diseases is rather poor.

So a risk that is lower for most people than many other normal activities, plus low evidence the intervention even works - does not justify mandating an invasive intervention like masking.

If people want to mask, or wear face shields, or eat a lot of garlic, or wear an amulet, they can go to town, but telling others to do it is out of line.

It's not poor unless you choose to define 'mask' as a fabric one or a loose blue surgical mask. The evidence is perfectly good for the better quality FFP2 or FFP3 ones, which is why they are standard PPE in many situations. (That doesn't mean I think there should be mandates anywhere other than, say, cancer wards.)

My 33 yr old son (very fit, rugby player, trains every day) has been very ill for weeks with covid. We should not be complacent.

The evidence for all the time public use even of those kinds of masks isn't really there either. Which is what we'd be talking about - the majority of the population using the right kind of mask, and following correct masking procedures, all the time in public.

It's not going to happen even if they do mandate it, so it would never work. Even many professionals find following masking protocols for long periods tiring, and that is just in limited work settings.

It might be better not to imply masks in general don't work, then, but to be specific that you're talking about "all the time public use" of masks. I don't think anyone at the UN was proposing that anyway. Some people who could wear a good mask to good effect for short periods in particularly risky situations might not do so, or might get pressure from other people not to bother, based on that sort of misinformation suggesting they just don't work.

Thanks, I've just bought some 😷 It was quite hard to find any still in stock - they wouldn't have been my first choice, but it says they're fog free and are reduced to £10 for 20.

Nobody does moan at me for wearing a mask but, should anyone need to see my lips moving, they'll be able to! I think these duckbill-shaped ones look stupid, though ...

Great! 🙂

Covid was a small part of her speech , she spoke about air filters and air quality after the LA fires ,
fair enough, but going back to Covid , first
the data she quotes about Long Covid sufferers is quite misleading, reading further the vast majority are elders or people with compromised immunity , overweight. A very fragile percentage of the population really.
second what about the side effects of masks ? Breathing in all that micro plastics is probably more damaging than long covid. The mental and physiological impact lockdown had on children ,
I pray we never go back to that ever.

Violet Affleck is an intelligent young woman who knew full well she would be criticised for speaking at the UN.

She cares passionately about the health of young children who are being repeatedly infected by a virus that our media has encouraged us to ignore since "freedom day". Would it be too much to request people listen to what she actually said (based on huge amounts of evidence) before voting?

My fingers just take over when I see a COVID thread. Its like an out of body experience. There are maybe 5-6 posters that present some obscure research that details the remote possibility of vascular complications as a reason to forever shield, mask and live the purgatory that we did from March 2020 to February 2022 indefinitely, and seemingly compare 'long COVID' to something like motoneuron disease. They deserve our sympathy. But when they set out to mislead and and influence, they deserve our mocking.

It’s not obscure research, it’s pretty much settled science at this point and there are thousands and thousands of papers. And we’ve known this since 2020. Hence the microclotting issue we couldn’t solve with blood thinners and your risk of a heart attack doubling with an infection for all age groups.

@Everanewbie:

Compared to nearly 220,000 uninfected people, those infected with Covid-19 were more than twice as likely to have had a heart attack or stroke or died from any cause by October 2022. [2 years later]

For people who were hospitalised with Covid-19, the risk of these events was 4 times higher than for those who did not test positive for the virus.

In another study, almost 154,000 people in the United States who tested positive for Covid-19 between March 2020 and January 2021 were 72 per cent more likely to have heart failure a year after they were infected, compared to people who did not have the virus.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/what-does-coronavirus-do-to-your-body

@everanewbieWho are you intending to mock on this thread? Who has overstepped in your mind?
Why are you drawn to covid threads when you find them so anxiety inducing?

It comes across as mocking a little, I’m not seeing the sympathy, but most of all it comes across as nasty and ignorant.

I don't know, I know I'll never convince the "its vascular!!!" crowd that COVID is a very minor illness in the grand scheme of things. The anxiety will be induced if people in power start listening to the terminally terrified, like they did for best part of two years. Luckily, even wets like Starmer think you're all silly.

Which terminally terrified people did ‘they’ listen to for the best part of two years?

Which posts seem very extreme to you?

Do you think that countries or organisations that are addressing indoor air quality are terminally terrified or do you think there could be other reasons?