Violet Affleck and mask mandates

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AIBU think that this shouldn’t be encouraged? Violet Affleck advocating for mask mandates. Daughter of Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck. Speaking about the importance of masks. Says we should still be wearing them to curb the spread of Covid 19.
Shouldn’t a young privileged woman be enjoying her youth? Is there a reason for fit healthy people like her to still walk around in masks?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15127909/violet-affleck-mask-mandates-long-covid-ben-jennifer-garner.html

How many people did you see wearing clear masks during the time they were mandated? Not many. My DP would tell people that they needed to take masks off for lipreading but they would refuse.

I'm sure she isn't - I seem to remember they also listened t o Greta Thunberg. It just seems a bit performative and tick boxing to me. When they could listen to actual scientists rather than emotional, rather un evidence based appeals. But maybe that's what they want? However what's the point - they have shown they're "listening" to a Gen Z spokesperson. But they're not going to take a blind bit of notice of her are they? So ultimately they have wasted her time to make them look good.

Clear masks weren't available earlier on, there are a few different types available now. It's perfectly possible to make it work especially when the only place where mask mandates are even being suggested are in hospitals where hospital acquired infections are a huge problem, for everyone but in particular for people who are especially medically vulnerable and are at the moment unable to access healthcare safely. I know people who are having cancer treatment and dialysis and healthcare workers won't even wear masks when they are getting their treatment, and some even come in actively sick, which is disgraceful imo.

Well as I’m now on antibiotics because of selfish people who insist on going out while poorly, I am firmly in the camp of thinking masks should be mandated.

It’s pure selfishness.

How do you expect this to be enforced? There's a distinction between having a mask mandate and a population who would actually adhere to it.

Adherence was breaking down the last time there were mask mandates in the UK, and private businesses making it clear they weren't going to do the state's work in enforcing it, so it's never immediately obvious what people think has changed to make it actually feasible.

You keep asking me this and I’ve told you. You can admit you’re anti mask and selfish. It’s okay.

I thought the stages were

epidemic (localised)
pandemic (global)
endemic (global but not spiking, just circulating)

Like the viruses of previous pandemics might still be kicking around but they’re weakened and don’t cause havoc any more.

This is just what I remember from the news during early pandemic time, hope iirc.

Someone clearly struggles with the difference between fact and opinion.

That is unsurprising given we know that children whose mothers had Covid during pregnancy are more likely to have a developmental delay at 2yo than those who weren’t exposed to covid in utero. I think there were more problems with speech and language too.

Those test scores might not be salvageable while we’re still pretending Covid is a respiratory virus not a multi systemic one.

Because HEPA filters and ventilation systems in every classroom in the country would cost a fortune, and the money is far better spent elsewhere.

I imagine she does have severe anxiety issues and deserves sympathy rather than judgement.

Shhh!

Pretty sure this was costed up and it didn’t cost a fortune. I’d would put money on it costing less in the long term than the economic and welfare costs of having higher levels of covid circulating for most of the year.

I mean it’s a bit wild to me, but at least she’s not a female Brooklyn Beckham.

Finland noted the high ROI of doing this.

The current situation is also unaffordable.

Hardly. You gave one low detail and transport specific reply, which was entirely unconvincing, I asked further questions and you said you didn't care. Which means you have yet to demonstrate that this is anything other than pissing in the wind because, once again, having mask mandates does not make people go along with them.

Fwiw, I adhered to mask laws for the entire time that they were in force. It's not me you need to worry about. And you're going to need to address the issue of exemptions and how you'd stop the bullying of the exempt before you can credibly refer to anyone as selfish.

The most basic ventilation system is a window! Air purifiers are not very expensive either.

And as a pp said, if you take into account the costs of repeated illness, then the equation looks different.

The problem is partly that it's in no government's interest to do anything other than to downplay covid, because if they don't downplay it then we might start making demands for more to be done. The last thing we should we be doing is taking that at face value, though, however much we hated 2020 and 2021. There are things we could be doing as individuals and at a local community level that no one will try to do so long as the official line (which only protects government and business from their obligations) is that there's no need to.

I’m intrigued to see how our vaccine only approach is going to play out with no vaccines this year.

They're not that expensive and they would save a lot of money in reduced sickness days and reduced use of the NHS.

Yes it’s just a common courtesy there that I’d like to see extended in Uk & all countries.
I don’t think violets campaign is extreme at all. Just a thoughtful caring young woman who sees the common sense in sick people wearing a mask if they feel unwell instead of selfishly breathing their germs over everyone else - some who are vulnerable, some who get unlucky

This!

This!

I would prefer it if people didn't spread their germs when they know they're sick. I try to keep my germs to myself, but that's usually easy, since I'm able to wfh and don't generally have a pressing need to go out when I'm ill. If I did have to go out, I probably wouldn't wear a mask, though, because it's hard enough to breathe with a mask on when I'm not already ill.

More to the point, I don't see how any government can mandate that people wear masks when they're sick, unless the law is that you have to wear a mask anytime you're in public (and that's just insane). How would anyone know for certain that someone was not 'masking up' while ill? Would you report them somehow? Who would enforce it? It's just not feasible, even if you accept that it's the government's business (which is isn't).

Are you on crack? Money talks, it’s a tale as old as time.

OK, so earlier when you insisted that Yale admissions were based on "intelligence" not money, that was just...guesswork? Vibes?

They're not, btw. Parental gifts are a big thing in US private universities (along with legacies, extracurriculars, sporting achievements etc). A child of the ultra-rich attending Yale definitely does not require extreme academic ability.