To wish rape cases in Court were taken as seriously as this Epping sex offender?

[FirstCuppa]

I am sure this will be an unpopular opinion but here goes.
This guy has put his hand on a 14 yo and grown woman's leg/thigh and said he wants babies with them, told one they'd make a good wife asked two teens to kiss in public.

Don't get me wrong, creepy perv and sexually deviant with a minor yes. I'm not suggesting he should get asylum or not have been arrested.

I am shocked this is being suggested as the most important sex offender crime the Courts have had to see this year. All the coverage! We have so many men who rape and abuse for years and victims don't see a court room for years. How has public opinion pushed this relatively minor incident to the fore? Why do the men draped in flags setting fire to things and peeing all over monuments not care about the low rape convictions, for example?

I'm so confused about this. Do men actually now care about rape and sexual assault or is it because of the way this one looks? The BBC is going in heavy with only a few references to what he actually did. Frankly, and this may say more about my local, I used to get older men doing this to me and my friends as a teen all through the 90's. It was grim but I doubt I'd have got far if I had reported it as sexual assault.

throw us a bone here, OP, some links to back up your assertion.

Where are you getting your information that it is being seen as more important?

Speed to trial is not based on that anyway.

It is particularly galling when you come to a country to be given bed and board at the taxpayers expense and show ingratitude by committing a crime spree that involved children.

I want less sexual based assaults for all women and children and if that means limiting immigration of men from misogynistic countries so be it.

I don’t get women who welcome men coming from countries that don’t allow women to work or to even show an ankle in public. Women and children will be sacrificed for the sake of this virtue signalling.

And now we’re back to being ever so concerned that refugees are being unfairly treated if they commit a sex crime when the (white) men who also commit sexual crimes are pretending that they care about women and children. Exhausting. Such twists and turns when really this is just another anti-British thread hoping to stoke up a nice bit of anti right wing momentum.

Not even hiding in plain sight with this one!

When I hear the words "sexual attack" I think of heinous incidents.

When the grooming gangs were first briought to our attention I associated 'grooming' as strong flirtation hoping to prepare someone for sexual activity. But no "grooming" turned out to be acts more atticious and vile than I imagined possible.

Back to this case a newsreader referred to "sexual assault" and then said the perpetrrstor told the victim she is "very pretty"

I think this is "harrassment" which is wrong but lumping it in with heinous torturous acts is misleading.

No, you really haven't

Firstly, it is bizarre to relate the cost of policing ALL of the protests to this. The protests all over the country did not start purely because of the incidents in Epping.

Secondly, I presume your reference to 150,000 people is about the Unite the Kingdom event. That was planned and scheduled long before any of this happened.

thirdly, there are a number of similar incidents that you will find if you look for the court records and they pre-date this.

If your complaint is that this case has received a great deal of publicity, I can't really see why that would be an issue. Do you want the other cases to have more publicity? Or did you want this one to have less?

There was also quite a lot of publicity about the chap living at the hotel who has now been granted asylum. Do you object to that coverage too?

Generally, nothing is clear in what you're saying.

Maybe try again? It's coming across as if you're very angry for some reason, but I can't see what the reason is.

looking at your title about taking cases seriously, yeah a lot of cases aren't taken seriously. If you feel this one was taken more seriously because of the effect on the local community, then what do you want to do next? Object to the sentencing? Do you think he was sentenced more harshly because the people of Epping are angry?

maybe it will set a helpful precedent who knows.

This level of interest for a sex offending case is unprecedented.
Anyone who lives here knows that.

What the rest of you are going on about that a rape trial would be done and dusted in no time if only there were evidence - it wouldn't have even got to the point of trial if there wasn't evidence. CPS is notorious for that.

Men who abuse and violate women need to all be treated equally by the media and the public. The only political football that should be made of it is that it's women, girls and children that are suffering the most. No one should have to worry about men out on their streets with a vendetta pretending it is for women and children. No one feels safer with these men around.

@FirstCuppa you're local, sorry I missed that

I'm in Essex. There's certainly a vibe going on here even if you're not actually in Epping.

So it sounds like something else is making you uncomfortable and you've made a rather displaced rant here

I gather a bigger protest is planned for Sunday and I'm not sure what's happening about the usual Thursday one.

I totally get that it must be extremely hard to live in Epping right now. But that isn't actually what you've said.

Now I'm wondering if there's something else you want to say, but you're too worried to say it?

No.
I just wish people, men in particular, gave a crap about women and girls and sexual abuse every other month of the year as much as they have given a crap on this case. Why this one? Why not the thousands of others that men commit in a year? Why are men only joining in now, from this one case, all around the country? Aren't all the figures of femicide enough or more compelling?

Why can't everyone do something useful about it? How is parading about with a flag cape making any difference? Who is it helping, other than Farage and Tommy Robinson? Not women. I certainly don't feel safe with them about.

I think the sexual assault referred to the physical touching?

Yes, there was more to it than him just saying she was pretty..

I think that's a statement everyone can get on board with

The only thing I'd add is that stuff like this has happened all over the country. I'm sure when you're living in the middle of all this it's easy to miss though.

But yeah, I wish that people gave a crap normally. I get annoyed when I hear them talking about "our women and girls" as if we belong to them and are not independent beings in ourselves.

are you finding that the protestors in Epping are mostly local?

Wonder if these white van scrotes will get caught

https://youtube.com/shorts/qNJAvYBZMaI?si=NtBxum80QPVd4g4R

Yeah, I heard someone in the pub - someone I know reasonably well actually - saying he wouldn't call it a sexual assault. I resisted the urge to argue. Lord knows what his definition of sexual assault actually is.

Unfortunately, he perfectly fits the stereotype of the people who aren't angry about this. Posh or middle class or whatever and painfully left-wing. I suspect he doesn't believe 99% of accusations.

Unbelievable.

I wonder if he would think this was acceptable if it happened to his female partner, daughter, sister or mother....🙄🙄🙄

Well of course it fits the agenda to say all asylum seekers are sexual predators when there is a slur campaign being waged against migration. But it also fits the agenda to say all the people who have attended the protests and rallies are toothless right-wing racists who worship TR.

it’s all propaganda and it’s going to get Reform in unfortunately.