To wish rape cases in Court were taken as seriously as this Epping sex offender?

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I am sure this will be an unpopular opinion but here goes.
This guy has put his hand on a 14 yo and grown woman's leg/thigh and said he wants babies with them, told one they'd make a good wife asked two teens to kiss in public.

Don't get me wrong, creepy perv and sexually deviant with a minor yes. I'm not suggesting he should get asylum or not have been arrested.

I am shocked this is being suggested as the most important sex offender crime the Courts have had to see this year. All the coverage! We have so many men who rape and abuse for years and victims don't see a court room for years. How has public opinion pushed this relatively minor incident to the fore? Why do the men draped in flags setting fire to things and peeing all over monuments not care about the low rape convictions, for example?

I'm so confused about this. Do men actually now care about rape and sexual assault or is it because of the way this one looks? The BBC is going in heavy with only a few references to what he actually did. Frankly, and this may say more about my local, I used to get older men doing this to me and my friends as a teen all through the 90's. It was grim but I doubt I'd have got far if I had reported it as sexual assault.

When he is let out of prison she means. He apparently wants to be deported so 🥳🥳🥳.
And he did more than touch a woman & child on the leg, hence the 12 month prison sentence.

The idea is that he won't be granted asylum and will be deported, not imprisoned in this country. Anyone who has come here alleging ill treatment (and yet even whilst awaiting a decision) has proved to be a threat to women has lost all goodwill. I'm sure you'll agree that it's very hard to sympathise with a man who cries about his own personal safety whilst inflicting fear on women and minors.

It's good he's been made an example of as apparently he didn't know 'how strict the UK was' and clearly thought this was an acceptable way to treat a woman & a child. Hopefully others will learn from this.

Right - the point should be to focus on the victims and their arduous process to be heard, helped and the law upheld. Turning this into another discussion about immigration isn't helping anything, just adding another problem.
We all know it's men.
What we need is men to realise it is all men, and they need to be part of the change - calling out friends for abusing wives, not cat calling etc rather than carrying on pretending it's only "those" sort of men, not men like them.

He apparently tried to blame the girl and claim that she was the one acting inappropriately towards him. He absolutely deserves prison time for this.

Yeah I heard that too not so long ago, "she was gagging for it" was a popular phrase, alongside "get your tits out for the lads!" being chanted in the streets.

If I had sat with the guys at the pub who were pawing at me and offered them some pizza, do you think I'd have been believed in a rape case?

I can't comment on that. I'm commenting on this particular case that you've started a threat about.

Blaming the victim is always wrong, but he is far from the first man to do it.

I know a rapist who got off so let’s let them all off 🫥

Well of course he isn't. No one in their right mind is suggesting he is.
But we're talking about this particular man aren't we.

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I'm really unclear where this thread is heading and OP's motivation here.

He didn't rape anyone.
My point was that while it's great he was seen and "made an example of" it is being seen as a racist attack on a UK citizen. It is another man attacking another woman and being used as a distraction for a political issue rather than a sexist one.

We need to tackle violence against women and girls, like clearing the backlog of accused rapists waiting out of jail for years strolling along our streets who haven't been in Court. It's alarming to me that so many seem to be able to ignore that, not march for it at all and just seem to accept it because they probably are white. If they are a refugee we seem to fast track them for less than rape. I don't think that is a good system.

So, because many women and girls don't get justice and are victims of sexual harassment - and worse - this man should get off lightly?
Is that what you're saying?
Please clarify.

I don't understand. No, he's not the first man to do this, is that an excuse?

A lot of people clearly not reading my posts.
I don't condone what this guy did and am glad he was arrested and has a sentence. I do not however think it should have taken priority and been all over the news more than any other sexual offence of possibly a graver nature, particularly actual rape.

I am alarmed so many rapists can walk the street for years and no one cares, yet this got fast tracked and used as an anti-immigration "win" and the people protesting only seem to care because of the colour of his skin rather than the nature of the crimes. As I said, it should be about helping women get the most out of the legal system and clearing the 3 year backlog, rather than racking up a lot of extra policing spends with protests for one guy.

So, you think it should have been low priority, that's your issue?

You are minimising my posts. I have written my issues clearly.

It fairly obvious that that’s not what she’s saying.

She’s saying she wishes the “protect our women and girls” crowd cared about all women and girls, whoever abused them. 1 in 20 children in the uk have been sexually abused (NSPCC stats), 500,000 sexually abused per year (gov stats) - why aren’t we all screaming about that. Where is the march?

Reform has an MP who went to prison for assaulting his girlfriend, so yes, absolutely throw the book at this man in Epping, but can we please be spared Farage’s “I just want women to be safe” bullshit. I’d be more inclined to believe him if he stopped supporting his MP.

I am not "minimising" your posts. I am seeking clarity.
That's quite different.

Interestingly, there's a Sudanese immigrant charged with rape in Bournemouth.
I don't know what you make of that case, OP

You thought process is very worrying OP.

No he didn't rape anyone. He sexually assaulted two people (one of them a child), which is also illegal and carries a prison sentence.

Rape is one of the most difficult crimes to prove as there are rarely any witnesses and it is often a case of he says, she says & therefore very hard for the jury to come up with a guilty verdict behind reasonable doubt.

Of course much more needs to be done to protect women and girls. The majority of people agree with you there (both men and women). But that doesn't mean we turn a blind eye to what else is happening. That woman & child also deserved justice.

Thank you - you actually have clarified it, and I take your point. I thought she was referring to the gravity of the assault and that it shouldn't take priority.
You've been much clearer.

You really really haven’t.

Thank you 👍