To wish rape cases in Court were taken as seriously as this Epping sex offender?

[FirstCuppa]

I am sure this will be an unpopular opinion but here goes.
This guy has put his hand on a 14 yo and grown woman's leg/thigh and said he wants babies with them, told one they'd make a good wife asked two teens to kiss in public.

Don't get me wrong, creepy perv and sexually deviant with a minor yes. I'm not suggesting he should get asylum or not have been arrested.

I am shocked this is being suggested as the most important sex offender crime the Courts have had to see this year. All the coverage! We have so many men who rape and abuse for years and victims don't see a court room for years. How has public opinion pushed this relatively minor incident to the fore? Why do the men draped in flags setting fire to things and peeing all over monuments not care about the low rape convictions, for example?

I'm so confused about this. Do men actually now care about rape and sexual assault or is it because of the way this one looks? The BBC is going in heavy with only a few references to what he actually did. Frankly, and this may say more about my local, I used to get older men doing this to me and my friends as a teen all through the 90's. It was grim but I doubt I'd have got far if I had reported it as sexual assault.

A very disingenuous thread, OP, full of faux eyed innocence.

Unfortunately we can’t ship the homegrown rapists anywhere but we can send back rapists from another country that commit the crime here.

Obviously I can’t speak for every man but the ones I know care about rape and sexual assault regardless of how the perpetrator looks.

Be glad things have changed since the 90’s and teenagers don’t have to put up with the behaviour that you did from men. I doubt the woman he approached felt it was a minor incident either, luckily the CPS don’t agree with you as well or he’d be able to do this to other women.

"I'm so confused by this"

I don't think you are, OP. I think you know exactly how you feel but thought you'd start yet another thread on this subject.

I am shocked this is being suggested as the most important sex offender crime the Courts have had to see this year

Please can you link to a credible source that suggests this?

Also, what does the 90s have to do with anything?

Are you suggesting we should go back to ignoring sex crimes in the ‘Men will be men’ sort of way that was common in the past?

I haven't seen another thread?
I'm annoyed but also actually confused. We hear all the time how Courts take years for rape victims, how unsupported they are and how costly and damaging it is. Yet this has had news coverage and protests and likely millions thrown at it.

See my previous post - if you counted all of the news stories about this and the linked riots, add up the spends on policing... No other sex offender in memory has cost the UK so much. Even Wayne Cousins didn't get people protesting all over the country in so many locations and for so long.

We certainly don't need to import perverts and sex offenders but it will be interesting to see whether the Court deems it unsafe to deport him under the ECHR. I don't want to see the UK withdraw from the ECHR, I think that would be a dangerous move, but it isn't currently being applied as it was originally intended. It is far too frequently protecting criminals rather than victims. And as you rightly say OP, those victims are more often than not women.

It would be nice to see the same men protesting vow not be part of the statistics that beat their wives when their football team loses, for example. Maybe joining some femicide awareness campaigns.

Something more tangible than "we have the right to be the prime sex and violent offenders in our own country". Something that might actually lower rates of abuse against women, rather than focusing it on immigration.

It would be nice if they just deported him and refused his application for asylum on the grounds you don’t come to Britain illegally to sexually abuse children then get to stay there.

@FirstCuppa "Even Wayne Cousins didn't get people protesting all over the country in so many locations and for so long."

There were many protests and vigils. The Princess of Wales even attended the one on Clapham Common. And if I recall correctly women were being dragged away and having their heads bashed into trees by the Met Police - the very institution that murdered Sarah. You are right OP, the country isn't safe for women. That's why we don't need to import any more men - most of whom have no background checks or forms of identification.

Sadly we are stuck with homegrown abusers but we do not have to let additional ones live here if we don't want to. The man that you mention did not have to be here. His victims did not have to be his victims. It is entirely our decision as a country what level of additional sexual assault we are willing to tolerate. Currently the answer to that seems to be quite a lot, especially if its mainly confined to poorer people in poorer areas.

Have you been living under a stone? I’m guessing you didn’t watch the news when there were protests all over the place after Sarah Everard?

Yes for MURDER and RAPE
My point is even that is the only other case in memory where people came onto the streets.

Do you think we should let sex abusers come and live in the uk? Asylum is not a right its a privilege. Sexual abuse should be a long prison sentence for all rapists. Not just a tiny minority..

It certainly didn't go on for months though did it, or have 150k people turn up using it as a political football

Sure. It would be even better if everyone protesting would look at the majority of abuse, femicide and rape of women in this country and caused a riot about the lack of police care, length of wait for a Court appearance, the abuse of counselling transcripts by accused - actual violence and abuse against women, the victims.

Men are taking crimes against women and using them to push their political beliefs rather than help women.

It did go on for months yes. There were multiple vigils, protests and marches involving hundreds of people.

Are abusive men using the sex crimes of immigrants as an excuse for racism? Absolutely. Do they care about home-grown abuse of women? No.

BUT

We can - and should - care about more than one thing at a time and it makes sense to deal with the easy wins first. Rooting out home-grown abusers will require a wholesale change of culture in our police and justice systems, as well as our culture more widely. We absolutely should do this and focus should be put on it. But it won't be a quick win.

Getting rid of imported rapists and sex offenders can be done way, way quicker. The ball could be got rolling today if only there was the political will. We can make it much harder for them to come into the country much sooner than we can deal with the home-grown deviants.

It's legitimate to focus on immigrant sex-offenders, as it reduces risk to women and children much more quickly. And given we already have a huge problem with sex offenders, we'd be absolute idiots to keep adding to it. When you're in a hole, stop digging.

Men are taking crimes against women and using them to push their political beliefs rather than help women.

That’s because when the right whinge talk about “protecting women and children,” they don’t mean keeping them safe from harm.

They mean protecting them the way you protect a possession. That’s why it’s always our women and children. In their heads, it’s like property, you can mistreat what’s yours, but god forbid if someone else does.

If you're outraged that some cases get to court quicker than others then that's a good point to hold in mind.

Anything is possible if the political will is there.

Rape cases are being placed in the calendar for 2027, maybe even 2028 - that's shockingly bad.

We know that this sort of behaviour escalates. It is good that this man has been charged before it could. I am concerned with what happens when he is let out. I am also concerned with the many rape and sexual assault cases that don't get taken seriously and never make it to court.
As someone who was on the receiving end of sexual assault from a stranger in a public space, I am concerned it wasn't taken seriously enough and I was fobbed off with that man still roaming the streets.i wasn't able to stop it from happening to another woman despite reporting it, giving a statement and providing a photo.

Women aren't taken seriously, the process is hideous, if it makes it to prosecution the sentences are derisory and makes a mockery of what the victim went through.

Of course men don't give a shit about rape cases, we all know that OP. And yes, some of the men protesting about asylum seekers are going to be fucking nasty hypocrites. But it doesn't stop me, as a woman, not wanting to import even more violent sex offenders. And it sickens me to the stomach that Article 3 of the ECHR has been used by a lawyers to block deportation. This includes those involved in the Bradford grooming gangs. Everyone losses the right to be protected from (alleged) ill treatment in their own country the minute he rapes or abuses a woman or child in this country.

It’s almost as weird as the sentences given out to the people involved in the Southport riots. If only all unruly antisocial behaviour could be expedited in the same way and all people involved in criminal behaviour could be given such strong sentences. If only.

When he is let out from where? I haven't read the news story but if OP is correct he touched a woman and a child on their legs and made a disgusting comment. If that's an imprisonable offence we're going to have to build a few thousand new prisons.

Yes. We are all racist because we do not want imported, illegal men sexually assault our children. Yes you are so superior. Yes, we have a lot home grown rapist. Yes, people had enough of men of unknown background coming here and 8 days later deciding that a 14 year old schoolgirl is a partner for sex.