Trump on autism

[BeHappySloth]

Sorry if there is another thread - I did look.

I mean, wtf??!!

Do you seriously think this has not been considered?
1 You would have to give half the kids non-vaccines. So you want to risk them getting eg measles or diptheria. That's your solution. Let half the kids get measles and let's see how that works out.
2 What makes you think these studies haven't been done in analogs? eg mice have been tested for effects of the adjuvants.

Have you seen any evidence that they're about to launch any properly controlled, deep dive studies?

I mean, surely with all these anti-vax parents out there, they could have decided to recruit volunteers and spend a couple years compiling some real statistics and doing actual research instead of just randomly firing all the medical experts and changing the childhood vaccine schedule and blaming a common medication?

The evidence presented in the lawsuits the manufacturer of Tylenol is surely about to launch is going to be pretty interesting.

Cos Donny can’t say acetamenophen, I’d imagine.

Excuse me but what?

someone is finally looking into the epidemic of autism in today’s children.

LOTS of research has gone into it.

LOTS and LOTS and LOTS.

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2025/is-there-an-autism-epidemic

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2025/07/09/major-autism-study-uncovers-biologically-distinct-subtypes-paving-way-precision

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-02636-1

This is another study. Started back in 1982.
"A population-based cohort of children born in Sweden 1982 through 2006, with follow-up for ASD through December 31, 2009, were included. "

Large number of people involved.
"The study included 37 570 twin pairs, 2 642 064 full sibling pairs, and 432 281 maternal and 445 531 paternal half-sibling pairs. Of these, 14 516 children were diagnosed with ASD."

"Because ASD is rare, estimates of heritability rely on few families with more than 1 affected child, and, coupled with the time trends in ASD prevalence, the heritability estimates are sensitive to the choice of methods.
...
However, in both analyses, the heritability of ASD was high and the risk of ASD increased with increasing genetic relatedness."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5818813/

I do think that efforts should be made to understand the cause of autism rather than just accepting that increasing numbers of people have neurodevelopmental problems and doing little to about. Where would it leave us long term if half the population were unable to work or function without support? However, coming up with unproven theories and blaming women for what they did or didn't do during pregnancy like its the 1950s is not helpful.

Sorry, but we have no use for your facts.

In fact, they probably cause autism and should be banned. Weak correlation and foolish conjecture will save us.

Kennedy, a couple weeks ago:

Speaking at an event in Texas alongside the state’s governor, Greg Abbott, Kennedy claimed: “I’m looking at kids as I walk through the airports today, as I walk down the street, and I see these kids that are just overburdened with mitochondrial challenges, with inflammation. You can tell from their faces, from their body movements, and from their lack of social connection. And I know that that’s not how our children are supposed to look.”

The thing is that the studies seem to conclude that the increasing numbers are due in large part to diagnostic changes. The John's Hopkins summary says this, below, which implies that the group that is unable to work or function without support is not increasing.

Changes in the diagnostic criteria and increased screening at wellness visits seem to be the main contributors. There have been a few studies over the past two years that have looked at a specific subgroup of individuals on the spectrum who frequently need 24-hour-a-day support and care from a caregiver, often have very limited verbal communication skills, or have intellectual disability that co-occurs with autism.
The data has shown that rates of autism for that subgroup have increased minimally, if at all, over the past nearly 10 years.
Rates have increased the most for individuals who are not in that subgroup, who may have more subtle phenotypes and fewer significant co-occurring conditions. We think this is most likely due to our ability to identify these subtle traits and symptoms better.

Why Is There a Rise in Autism Cases?
Autism used to be considered a rare condition, but the CDC states that about 1 in every 31 children have autism spectrum disorder. ASD cases have continued to rise each year.
The rise may be because doctors have better screening tools and awareness of the condition. Some experts think it also has to do with many different genetic and environmental factors. Research to understand what causes ASD and why it’s on the rise continues.

School, Jobs, and Autism
Studies have found that young adults with ASD are most likely to choose a STEMM (science, technology, engineering, math, and medicine) major over others. They’re also more likely to choose these majors compared to people without ASD or those with a different disability.
Children with ASD and average IQ levels also tend to have better math skills than kids without ASD in the same IQ range. Experts think this is because people with ASD have special organizational patterns and skills that tend to make them great at problem-solving.

This isn't my solution, I present no solution. I am welcoming testing and scientific research on toxins, including vaccinations, that has been announced today. RFK Jr is saying this should have been done 25 years ago and I agree.

I am curious as to the causes of the 400% rise in autism and keen read the studies when they come out. The answers to your questions will be in the testing methods outlined in the studies they do. I guess those who are angry this is being looked into can ignore the studies and keep doing things the way they have been done. That's ok too.

What Are the Causes of Autism?
Experts don’t fully understand all of the causes of autism spectrum disorder. It seems to be genetic, but things such as parental age and prescription medications taken during pregnancy may be involved.
For instance:

• A person is more likely to be on the spectrum if a brother, sister, or parent is. But it doesn’t always run in families.
• About 10% of kids with ASD have a form of genetic disorder such as Down syndrome and fragile X syndrome.
• A large Danish study found a link between ASD and the advanced parental age of either parent.
• Women prescribed opioids just before pregnancy are likelier to have a child with ASD.

Yes, it will be very interesting to see the results of the studies and also the see the outcomes of the court cases. The more information released to the public and studies done, the better. Knowledge is power, I welcome the information, whatever conclusions are drawn.

Me to
Can't tolerate it ,so never use it .how has he come up with this ,what research have they done ..there must be studies ..or ...not ..I don't know you can't just go around making things up

The autistic community are STILL having to deal with the fallout from the Wakefield charlatan. The lies he told have caused long-lasting damage and led to a drop in vaccinations.

And now we have this utter horseshit. I’m torn between just wanting to cry and raging.

People will believe him. Just look at comments on this thread already.

Individuals who clearly have NO idea about the extensive research that has been done and continues to be ongoing are suggesting this is good because someone will finally discover the cause.

No they fucking won’t.

Trump and RFK Jr have absolutely zero interest in clinical research. Trump wants the Nobel Peace Prize and to be credited with finding the cure because he’s driven by his ego and cares nothing for the truth. RFK Jr shouldn’t be have any responsibility for health due to his batshit conspiracy type theories.

What they have said today will potentially lead to babies either dying or being born with severe disabilities - the risk of fever during pregnancy is significant if not treated.

Nothing they have said is evidence-based. Nothing they will do will drive further research.

It’s soul-destroying to see people falling for this.

Sincerely, an autistic woman born in the 1970s when apparently none of us existed, who also took no paracetamol during pregnancy but somehow produced twins who are both also autistic, one with severe learning disabilities. Must be a miracle, right?!

How exactly can Trump and JFK state that the rate of autism in Cuba is lower, when there has been no records collected of autism in Cuba, ever?

Surely it would be as simple as asking them to offer the autism rate in Cuba and a source?

You specifically said "the studies used shots with adjuvants in them or against other vaccines, not saline. It would be good to see those results surely? If they show nothing, then that's great."
I am saying those studies have already been done.
I am also expressing surprise that you think no one else would have thought to do that already.

The rise of 400% in autism DIAGNOSIS is due to increasing sensitivity of diagnostic methods.

The studies done to prove safety so far have used injections with adjuvants, or other vaccinations, as the 'placebo'. True inert placebo studies for any of the vaccines on the childhood schedule have never been done. Crazy isn't it? They've gotten away with so much and trained everyone to be aggressive towards those of us who value true science so we would shut up.

My thoughts for what they are worth ,on why the rates of autism have increased
Is the widening of the criteria of autism to include Asperger's.
Perhaps Autism should mean people who are non verbal or limited communication skills needing a lot of looking after ect .
Since widening the criteria to include Asperger's,you have a huge umbrella under which many many people all completely different in ability are having the same diagnosis.
With the same autism diagnosis you have people in full time work ,and having families and a mortgage..and also people who need 24 hour care .
You have the diagnostic criteria changing to widen it's criteria of autism,and assessors now are much better at including women and girls and spotting how they present differently.
I doubt very much rates of high needs support people with autism have increased outside the lines of any population growth..but I could be wrong .
I get the use of the word aspergers was offensive to some people,but I think we do need a verbal distinction between high support needs autism and able to function in society autism .
Once that is in place I believe it will be obvious there is no rise in the rates of autism.
I say this as a woman diagnosed with autism age 50 ,and two of my children also diagnosed with autism..
My eldest son has very high support needs autism,and will never live independently..I have to be his carer ,which feels weird as I have the same diagnosis.my youngest son sits somewhere in the middle of us needs wise .
Yet we have the same diagnosis..I'm not diminishing my struggles at all ..believe me ,every step of my life has been fraught with difficulty and miscommunication..
but I've never smeared poo everywhere,or weed all over the house ,or smashed things up or been incredibly violent or not been ble to be left alone with other children incase I attack them ,as my high support needs son has ..
The use of the word autism to now cover such a huge umbrella of need ,has made it incredibly difficult to try to explain to people just how effected my eldest son is by his autism..it has ..in my opinion,made the general public think autism is less of a disability than it is , because of the huge catch all..
And I think it's doing a huge disservice to the people who need long term care for their autism

I wonder what will be the threshold will be for his supporters to stop listening to him?

The military? When he says the sun is blue?

Just to be clear, are you suggesting trials where large numbers of children aren’t given any kind of vaccination but just a placebo?

Your last line is one step away from calling those who disagree with you “sheeple”.

Oh can we give this a rest for five minutes? Nobody that voted for that convicted felon and sexual offending sack of orange shit was ever, ever, EVER, going to vote for Kamala. We all know it. Anybody who voted for him or who bleats about ‘because the dems / because the left’ from the UK has less than zero of an idea.

If you say things like ‘there were no good choices really were there?’ or ‘I quite like Trump’ or ‘77M people voted for him so he must be ok blah blah blah…’ then you’re as bad as those who did vote for him and actually, as bad as him. You might as well own it.

I'm not suggesting any particular study. I'm am supportive of the coming studies and excited to read the results. Perhaps the placebo group will be babies born of families who were chasing on to vaccinate anyway - I have no idea as those details haven't been released. I

'm surprised that others are angry that scientific studies will be happening. People do get angry or dismissive (crazy anti science, anti vax etc) when people dare to talk about thorough testing of vaccines and it does tend to shut most up for fear of social rejection.

I wasn't calling anyone any names and would never denigrate people who disagree with me.

Trump can’t even pronounce acetaminophen let alone understand the shit he’s spouting. People have already died because of him and you’re right that it will continue.

RFK jet doesn’t have the qualifications to do a ‘deep dive.’

I assume you have qualifications?

He is head of the agency who employ people specifically because they have the correct qualifications to conduct clinical studies.

I have a Bachelor of Health Science, but have never run my own scientific study as I work in a different field, not a lab.