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I feel so demoralised

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Middleageddreameresawsss · 22/09/2025 09:09

Ive just read that Nigel Frarage will send back all immigrants and abolish the settled status. We wont be able to stay in the UK unless we earn a high salary and instead be on some sort of renewable status visa.
I was born in the Netherlands. Came to the UK aged 1 year. Mum is Irish. Went to school here, then have been working in the nhs for 30 years. I have settled status but I also have long term cancer so I am a drain on the nhs.
Ill be 59 when he gets into power. I dont know how Ill manage. Im carer for my mum who has dementia and isnt going anywhere soon.

OP posts:
EasternStandard · 22/09/2025 13:58

nearlylovemyusername · 22/09/2025 13:29

I wouldn't be so sure unfortunately.

There's been a seismic shift behind Reform in the last several months, they are being "professionalised" by Dominic Cummings.

The shift to right on MN is part of the effort behind Farage, it's a professional army of bots which brought Trump to power, propelled AfD etc etc, and it a part of well known methodology.
I'd suggest you google about Cummings and Reform and watch "The Great Hack".

I do believe that best case (best case for us) scenario Reform will get the highest number of seats and form coalition, otherwise it's going to be their outright majority.

It's terrifying.

I don’t think it’s ’bots’ anymore than pre last GE was nearly wall to wall for Labour on here. It’s just reflecting public opinion since it’s an open site.

Dominic Cummings though is very effective and I blame him for partygate. He helped win Brexit too, so if he’s on it then I wouldn’t be surprised if he wins the next effort too.

nearlylovemyusername · 22/09/2025 14:01

EasternStandard · 22/09/2025 13:58

I don’t think it’s ’bots’ anymore than pre last GE was nearly wall to wall for Labour on here. It’s just reflecting public opinion since it’s an open site.

Dominic Cummings though is very effective and I blame him for partygate. He helped win Brexit too, so if he’s on it then I wouldn’t be surprised if he wins the next effort too.

I wouldn't be that surprised that "wall to wall Labour" last year was finely orchestrated as well, to influence public opinion. Let's don't forget massive donations Labour had.

As to Cummings - yes, he's extraordinary intelligent and very effective. Unfortunately.

Shepherdseven56 · 22/09/2025 14:02

Comedycook · 22/09/2025 13:46

Mass immigration has not been a disaster for the UK at all

I think it's been widely accepted that it has suppressed wages...

That's not to say it hasn't brought some benefits

I think that was once the case but now academic evidence suggests that it is broader economic and government policies that are at fault.

In other words: austerity measures, under-investment, poor productivity, changes to the tax and benefit systems, Brexit, the CoL crisis, lack of skills in certain crucial areas, poor financial regulation of CEO wages and share-holder profits, and changes in legislation which have made it harder for workers to strike.

Luckyingame · 22/09/2025 14:02

Right.
I suppose it depends on individual situations.
I was born in the Czech Republic, retained my citizenship, currently (reluctantly) thinking about getting a British passport, after 25 years and I'm quite happy with Farage.
People won't tell you this in real life.
The only thing that's stopping me is that very difficult and detailed test about British history, politics, culture and sport, needed to get the damn passport, which most Britons would fail.

pointythings · 22/09/2025 14:05

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 13:00

I’ve worked over twenty years in the NHS and if they decide they don’t want me, fine. I don’t understand the sense of entitlement. The UK’s priority is its own citizens.

The problem is that the NHS wants and needs immigrants in its workforce. It's xenophobic Farage funkiest which are the problem. They have zero understanding of demographics and economics and don't realise that this policy will crash the UK economy.

Anyway, apparently it doesn't apply to people here under the EU settlement scheme, so they're rowing back already.

StewkeyBlue · 22/09/2025 14:06

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 12:32

Is this a disingenuous question, or are you actually interested in an answer?

I am genuinely interested in why people think it has been.

Because honestly I see many other causes way ahead of any issues that may be or are perceived to be connected to migration.

pointythings · 22/09/2025 14:06

steppemum · 22/09/2025 13:02

my kids hold 2 passports. Dutch and British.

Dual nationality by descent is permitted. Naturalisation mostly isn't.

AliceMaforethought · 22/09/2025 19:12

nearlylovemyusername · 22/09/2025 13:29

I wouldn't be so sure unfortunately.

There's been a seismic shift behind Reform in the last several months, they are being "professionalised" by Dominic Cummings.

The shift to right on MN is part of the effort behind Farage, it's a professional army of bots which brought Trump to power, propelled AfD etc etc, and it a part of well known methodology.
I'd suggest you google about Cummings and Reform and watch "The Great Hack".

I do believe that best case (best case for us) scenario Reform will get the highest number of seats and form coalition, otherwise it's going to be their outright majority.

It's terrifying.

That's not going to happen. Not even close. Please stop awfulising.

phoenixrosehere · 22/09/2025 19:16

OfKitten · 22/09/2025 12:46

If we are talking about the OP specifically, not having £2k her entire life to pay for this just shows being a UK citizen is of such little value to her. I am not at all a suporter of Farage or any right eing shite, but a European citizen who just doesn't feel like paying £2k or losing their dual citizenship is very different from a refugee from a war torn country in need of help.

I wasn’t, but thank you for the weird comparison I didn’t make whatsoever.

JimJonesLivesInMyHead · 22/09/2025 19:23

Oh OP. He's spouting a load of bollocks as usual. Please try to ignore him, switch the TV off as soon as you see his ugly hateful face.

I'm so sorry about your cancer and your mum Flowers and you are absolutely NOT a drain on the NHS. That's what it's there for, and I for one am happy to think that my taxes and National Insurance are used for people in your horrible position. Look after yourself x

DervlaGlass · 22/09/2025 19:26

I hate how much attention he gets. The press are making him.

I agree it's awful and share all your fears. All my nieces and nephews have an ILR status parent. Will they be expected to go too? Or will their UK citizen remaining parent be expected to raise them alone (with generous benefits to help out I'm sure...)

He'd ruin life in the UK completely. I hope that common sense prevails but we've all seen enough self-defeating protest votes by now.

Regardless, know that millions of people are glad you're here and he doesn't define your worth to this country.

LavenderBlue19 · 22/09/2025 19:45

Luckyingame · 22/09/2025 14:02

Right.
I suppose it depends on individual situations.
I was born in the Czech Republic, retained my citizenship, currently (reluctantly) thinking about getting a British passport, after 25 years and I'm quite happy with Farage.
People won't tell you this in real life.
The only thing that's stopping me is that very difficult and detailed test about British history, politics, culture and sport, needed to get the damn passport, which most Britons would fail.

So you want to prevent people from doing what you were able to do? You do know that's hugely hypocritical, right?

DervlaGlass · 22/09/2025 19:50

LavenderBlue19 · 22/09/2025 19:45

So you want to prevent people from doing what you were able to do? You do know that's hugely hypocritical, right?

You can't argue with contrarians. They'll all go mad when they realise they've voted to screw themselves as part of a rich man's jolly japes, of course. "Nobody TOLD ME".

Sunrise8888 · 22/09/2025 19:52

It says the following:

Reform said the changes would not apply to EU nationals whose settled status is protected under the European Union Withdrawal Agreement - and who make up the majority of benefit claimants by people with ILR.

Just looked up on ChatGPT about the agreement:

Under the EU–UK Withdrawal Agreement, which came into force when the UK left the EU, EU, EEA and Swiss nationals (and their family members) who were living in the UK by 31 December 2020 were given the right to continue living, working and studying in the UK.

To secure those rights, they needed to apply to the EU Settlement Scheme (EUSS).
Successful applicants were granted either:

Settled status (equivalent to indefinite leave to remain) – for those who had lived in the UK for at least 5 continuous years by the end of the transition period, or
Pre-settled status – for those with less than 5 years’ residence at that time, with the ability to convert to settled status later.

Rights protected by the Withdrawal Agreement

EU/EEA/Swiss citizens and their eligible family members who hold settled status retain the right to:
Live permanently in the UK.
Work and be self-employed without a visa.
Use the NHS.
Access public funds (benefits and pensions) if eligible.
Travel in and out of the UK without restrictions.

These rights are protected for life as long as settled status is not lost (for example, by leaving the UK for more than 5 continuous years).

Legal protection

These rights are guaranteed under Part 2 of the EU–UK Withdrawal Agreement and incorporated into UK law by the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020.

UK authorities (such as the Home Office) must uphold these rights and cannot impose new conditions beyond those in the Agreement.

So you should be fine or am I missing something?

nearlylovemyusername · 22/09/2025 21:06

AliceMaforethought · 22/09/2025 19:12

That's not going to happen. Not even close. Please stop awfulising.

How many Remainers believed Leave would win?
How many people in 2023 could imagine what's happening in US right now?

That's the problem - rational and liberal people don't believe that things like this can happen so they don't act actively enough. And then it's too late.

Anyway, I wish you to be right with all my heart.

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