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Charlie Kirks wife forgives the killer

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strangerandstranger · 21/09/2025 23:22

To people who said her husband was hateful and what they preached was hateful, she just forgave the killer, as God would. Powerful speech.

The messed up young man who thought shooting man he didn't like was the answer, will go to prison and no longer be with his boyfriend. Erika Kirk no longer has her husband and her children have list their father.

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WarmWasabi · 22/09/2025 12:13

IsTheRecyclingOut · 21/09/2025 23:26

Ok.

I dont know why we need another thread on him, he had hateful views.

Can you quote any of his hateful views?

DdraigGoch · 22/09/2025 12:21

Chattanoogachoo · 21/09/2025 23:56

His murder has really brought home to me that so many seem to accept murder as acceptable/understandable.
I read an article which explained his murder in terms of the rise of fascism and it was Kirk who was described as the fascist not the murderer.We're living in very strange times.

Horst Wessel might be the most appropriate comparison, though this could also be the Reichstag moment for MAGA.

nomas · 22/09/2025 12:25

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · 22/09/2025 12:13

Edited as duplicate post

nomas · 22/09/2025 12:28

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · 22/09/2025 12:13

I thought you meant you had an independent link, not Charlie's.

Here is a video of the incident:

There is a disagreement with the teen boy and the woman about who has the bike. The teen says it's is because he was holding the bike as he had just docked it, the woman says it's her because she scanned the bike.

I actually don't know who is in the right from this video, but what I can see is that there is no baiting. The boys do not swear at her, they do not push her or antagonize her.

So why was this misunderstanding said to be an example of 'prowling blacks'? Do you not see that that's racist?

Woman in viral video paid for Citi Bike rental, attorney says

The attorney of a New York woman seen in video of a scuffle over a Citi Bike says she has proof she paid for the rental. WNBC's Erica Byfield reports.» Subsc...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaQQ-n8w_0I

Witchcraftandhokum · 22/09/2025 12:43

Strange that a number of the people on here defending his views seem to be first time posters.

RingoJuice · 22/09/2025 12:45

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 11:22

It’s quite difficult to “twist” someone’s words when they are there coming from his mouth all over the internet.

That you find his values to be normal and Christian confirms my belief that religion is dangerous.

I am not Christian. I left the church and I don’t agree with forgiving Kirk’s killer.

You should prefer a religious right-wing: I will not forgive like they do.

RingoJuice · 22/09/2025 12:47

nomas · 22/09/2025 11:23

So why don't you post what he said then?

The thing you don't seem to understand is that everyone cares about their family. Everyone deserves to live safely, and free from racial, misogynistic and religious hatred. You and your American Christian family are not special.

it wasn’t Charlie that killed anyone. Why is he not free to defend the values that define an average American Christian? Why was he hated for articulating their world view?

The left should have come for a debate. Not for a murder.

RingoJuice · 22/09/2025 12:50

nomas · 22/09/2025 12:10

It wasn't thought that the shooter was left wing. 'right wing social media accounts with millions of followers manufactured false conspiracy theories. The lies ignore overwhelming evidence of Boelter’s actual politics: his roommate David Carlson told reporters that Boelter voted for Trump and “was a strong supporter” of the president. Other longtime friends told local media Boelter was right-leaning...he was registered as a Republican in Oklahoma.'

Mike Lee used Hortman's death to spread lies. That is hateful.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/17/minnesota-lawmaker-killings-misinformation-rightwing

Whereas Dowd basically directed this awful rhetoric towards Charlie, implying he brought his own murder on himself.

Which part of “I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. You can’t stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have saying these awful words, and then not expect awful actions to take place. And that’s the unfortunate environment we are in.” is hateful?

He is blaming the victim. I heard much the same justification, by the way, for the Charlie Hebdo murders.

Butchyrestingface · 22/09/2025 12:51

She didn't look terribly forgiving to me in the footage I saw - she looked positively murderous (notwithstanding her words of forgiveness). Don't really blame her, mind.

Charlie did say she was way more conservative than him, and victims of violent crime do not generally become more liberal as a result of their experiences.

nomas · 22/09/2025 12:53

RingoJuice · 22/09/2025 12:47

it wasn’t Charlie that killed anyone. Why is he not free to defend the values that define an average American Christian? Why was he hated for articulating their world view?

The left should have come for a debate. Not for a murder.

He should have been debated into obscurity, not murdered.

But remember that the murderer was spawned in an 'American Christian' family of Republicans with a love for guns. The right should have taught him love, not guns.

WannabeEDIOfficer · 22/09/2025 12:54

Beliefs shouldn't become part of a set, where if you gather all the pieces you become left or right, conservative or liberal, religious or not.

I genuinely believe that Charlie Kirk's wife believes in forgiveness. I also believe that some of Charlie Kirk's views were fine, whilst others were racist or derogatory. My brain hasn't exploded by believing these things at thr same time.

nomas · 22/09/2025 12:57

RingoJuice · 22/09/2025 12:50

He is blaming the victim. I heard much the same justification, by the way, for the Charlie Hebdo murders.

The victim should never be blamed but didn't Kirk himself say he would be killed one day?

awkwardasfuck · 22/09/2025 12:59

RingoJuice · 22/09/2025 12:47

it wasn’t Charlie that killed anyone. Why is he not free to defend the values that define an average American Christian? Why was he hated for articulating their world view?

The left should have come for a debate. Not for a murder.

So you’re saying the “average American Christian” believes:

Black women like Michelle Obama or Ketanji Brown Jackson have no brain power and only succeed by stealing spots from white people.

Black people are “prowling” around cities for fun to attack whites.

Immigrants are “invaders” who rape and steal children.

Islam is a threat to civilization and should be treated as such.

Doctors who help trans kids should face Nuremberg-style trials like Nazi war criminals.

LGBTQ people deserve stoning because it’s “God’s perfect law.”

If that’s the worldview you’re defending, then you’re not talking about faith or morality—you’re excusing racism, misogyny, xenophobia, and violent homophobia under the banner of Christianity.

What a disgusting group to be a part of.

RingoJuice · 22/09/2025 13:04

nomas · 22/09/2025 12:28

I thought you meant you had an independent link, not Charlie's.

Here is a video of the incident:

There is a disagreement with the teen boy and the woman about who has the bike. The teen says it's is because he was holding the bike as he had just docked it, the woman says it's her because she scanned the bike.

I actually don't know who is in the right from this video, but what I can see is that there is no baiting. The boys do not swear at her, they do not push her or antagonize her.

So why was this misunderstanding said to be an example of 'prowling blacks'? Do you not see that that's racist?

I remember this case. There is some sort of scam where they can freely ride those electric bikes if there are no regular bikes around so what they were doing was hanging out trying to ‘guard’ the bikes so they could use them again after docking. One of the teens was hanging on one docked bike so she took the one next to it; they then claimed they wanted to use that one too and an argument ensued (she’d already paid and taken it out to use)

(iirc you have to dock them every 45 minutes to avoid charges, so they did that and waited to take them out again. They get these cards from the city as part of a welfare program)

nomas · 22/09/2025 13:08

RingoJuice · 22/09/2025 13:04

I remember this case. There is some sort of scam where they can freely ride those electric bikes if there are no regular bikes around so what they were doing was hanging out trying to ‘guard’ the bikes so they could use them again after docking. One of the teens was hanging on one docked bike so she took the one next to it; they then claimed they wanted to use that one too and an argument ensued (she’d already paid and taken it out to use)

(iirc you have to dock them every 45 minutes to avoid charges, so they did that and waited to take them out again. They get these cards from the city as part of a welfare program)

It's not a scam, it's a welfare scheme that lets people on welfare ride the bike for 45 minutes at a time.

She hadn't paid for the bike yet, she had scanned it though.

From the video, it's clear that there is a disagreement. I don't know what the answer is and people have said that Citibike usage rules are not clear.

But why has this been turned into 'prowling blacks' going after white people? They don't swear at her or physically intimidate her. It's a disagreement, it happens every day.

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · 22/09/2025 13:11

nomas · 22/09/2025 12:28

I thought you meant you had an independent link, not Charlie's.

Here is a video of the incident:

There is a disagreement with the teen boy and the woman about who has the bike. The teen says it's is because he was holding the bike as he had just docked it, the woman says it's her because she scanned the bike.

I actually don't know who is in the right from this video, but what I can see is that there is no baiting. The boys do not swear at her, they do not push her or antagonize her.

So why was this misunderstanding said to be an example of 'prowling blacks'? Do you not see that that's racist?

I'm inclined to take her explanation. Not least because someone seems to be filming this from the get-go and because it seems her rental was one minute long which is more consistent with the premise that someone shoved the bike back into the dock immediately she took it out. His hand on the bike reinforces that explanation.

CKs position was that there has been a general shift in the world to automatic acceptance that any argument between a black person and a Karen or a Gammon must be the fault of the white one. A fundamentally racist assumption juat as bad as the 1950s when blacks were automatically disbelieved in such an argument.

In that argument he says that groups who want to generate "vile Karen" content for social media roam the streets and troll or bait potential Karen's. You say you see no baiting here but redocking your bike as you take it out looks like baiting to me.

In the context of the proposition that the balance of believability has shifted and that people deliberately set out to cause these confrontations then "groups of black men roaming" is not racist, just descriptive. Particularly he is stating his experience in Chicago.

If it were white men doing this to Asian girls, then would the description also be racist? Why is the "men" part not "sexist".

So that's where I think you're wrong.

You can disagree that the premise is wrong, or that people don't roam the streets to make social media content, but in the context of that discussion/polemic the phrase is not racist or used in a racist way.

Even more importantly it is less than 0.05% of that whole piece and yet the title that has been given to the clip implies the whole thing is a racist rant, intending that people will take away that headline without listening to the whole thing.

It's fundamentally dishonest to do that.

Wouldn't you agree?

5128gap · 22/09/2025 13:15

RingoJuice · 22/09/2025 12:47

it wasn’t Charlie that killed anyone. Why is he not free to defend the values that define an average American Christian? Why was he hated for articulating their world view?

The left should have come for a debate. Not for a murder.

Please provide me with your working definition of 'the left'. You seem extremely fond of the label and I'd like to understand who you're referring to. Because I'm a woman living in the UK who describes herself as left wing and I want to understand how I fit the monster you have created to represent people with my views.
Then could you please provide me with evidence that the murderer of CK was the elected representative of the group of people you are calling 'the left', and that this group instructed him to commit murder rather than engage in debate?

RingoJuice · 22/09/2025 13:16

awkwardasfuck · 22/09/2025 12:59

So you’re saying the “average American Christian” believes:

Black women like Michelle Obama or Ketanji Brown Jackson have no brain power and only succeed by stealing spots from white people.

Black people are “prowling” around cities for fun to attack whites.

Immigrants are “invaders” who rape and steal children.

Islam is a threat to civilization and should be treated as such.

Doctors who help trans kids should face Nuremberg-style trials like Nazi war criminals.

LGBTQ people deserve stoning because it’s “God’s perfect law.”

If that’s the worldview you’re defending, then you’re not talking about faith or morality—you’re excusing racism, misogyny, xenophobia, and violent homophobia under the banner of Christianity.

What a disgusting group to be a part of.

Do you want a conversation about any of these? Or do you just want to repeat exaggerations or downright lies?

Let me know. Because the stoning one is a malicious lie, so the fact you’ve mentioned this really … is not a great start.

DdraigGoch · 22/09/2025 13:17

Calmomiletea · 22/09/2025 00:11

It's so true. And all of those who will wrongly claim he was a fascist seem to not know that Charlie called for the opposite of fascism, he was all about open dialogue and debate.

Was he fuck. He would stage 'debates' (with no intention of considering the alternative viewpoint), wind some undergrad up until they snapped and then publish the edited highlights that showed him in the best light. Whenever faced by a strong opponent he wouldn't engage. British university students wiped the floor with him because he couldn't just talk over them and edit the footage.

Butchyrestingface · 22/09/2025 13:19

awkwardasfuck · 22/09/2025 12:59

So you’re saying the “average American Christian” believes:

Black women like Michelle Obama or Ketanji Brown Jackson have no brain power and only succeed by stealing spots from white people.

Black people are “prowling” around cities for fun to attack whites.

Immigrants are “invaders” who rape and steal children.

Islam is a threat to civilization and should be treated as such.

Doctors who help trans kids should face Nuremberg-style trials like Nazi war criminals.

LGBTQ people deserve stoning because it’s “God’s perfect law.”

If that’s the worldview you’re defending, then you’re not talking about faith or morality—you’re excusing racism, misogyny, xenophobia, and violent homophobia under the banner of Christianity.

What a disgusting group to be a part of.

LGBTQ people deserve stoning because it’s “God’s perfect law.”

That doesn't sound like anything CK would have said. Certainly quite contrary to what any of the footage I've seen of him speaking on the subject over the last week or so. (And I'm not a Republican).

IsTheRecyclingOut · 22/09/2025 13:20

RingoJuice · 22/09/2025 13:16

Do you want a conversation about any of these? Or do you just want to repeat exaggerations or downright lies?

Let me know. Because the stoning one is a malicious lie, so the fact you’ve mentioned this really … is not a great start.

Oh well in that case, clearly as he "didnt say 'LGBTQ people deserve stoning because it’s “God’s perfect law.”' " then he was an alright all round good old guy!

No - his views were hateful and disgusting, I dont think anyone should be murdered for their views but I will not agree with the deification of this nasty individual either

DarkPassenger1 · 22/09/2025 13:20

Of course she has. There's an enormous amount of pressure on victims to forgive their attackers in some sects of Christianity. It's often expected. Always seemed bonkers to me but it's true.

This is quite a departure from the earlier 'you have no idea what you have awoken, this wife's cries will reverberate around the world like a battle cry!' of just a week or two ago.

Turning Point relies on the donations and attention of the Christian right.

IsTheRecyclingOut · 22/09/2025 13:21

ThatBlackCat · 22/09/2025 06:54

As horrible as his views are, they are shared by many, many millions who are anti-abortion, many on the left even (yes, some on the left are anti abortion too). I am surprised by how many are shocked at his view, that it's such an anomaly. Guaranteed you know several people you work with/meet in day to day life that share that same belief on abortion. It's not one I share. But it is a mainstream opinion, and very common.

might be common, but its not right though