Housing stigma

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Has anyone else noticed an increase in bad attitude towards social housing from property owners? I hought the UK was progressive and believed innequality but it seems to me the division is growing?

The way to try and achieve that would be ensuring there is much more social housing built, so other low paid workers aren’t forced to pay inflated prices to private landlords.

Of course not Its also on hospitals and schools You bought a HA property Was that under RTB .

You bought a HA property and are criticising tenants for being in social housing I dont think its going to be me who wishes i hadnt said something

HA does not mean social housing. They usually have SH blocks and then blocks for private sale at market value. All it means that my block is managed by a HA and they are technically my landlord and I pay them a service charge and other things.

Question. If the SH tenants couldnt afford to pay do you think the cladding should have been left on there

I think it will be you Jenny.

Im well aware that HAs are private companies. Ive been posting about it on here for a long time. I also know they arent subject to FOI

Ive lived in all kinds of property from a tough council estate, housing associations and private renting. I now own the house I rented which I bought when LL decided to move abroad. Some mortgage payers have a bit of an attitiude problem and need to give their heads a wobble. Having a mortgage simply means you are in debt to the bank! Nothing classy about that. Home owners can be shitpig neighbours too.

SH tenants aren't liable because they aren't leaseholders. I don't know the exact law but I think the landlord needs to comply with fire safety regulations and that includes cladding. Often a legal battle might preceed the re-cladding and then there was a shortage of contractors.

Well you seemed to think I somehow got a good deal by buying from a HA.

John Boughton (author of Municipal Dreams The Rise and Fall of Council Housing) on the welfarisation of council housing.
//www.insidehousing.co.uk/insight/the-rise-and-fall-of-council-housing-56139
Inthe 1980s, residualisation may have been a partly unintended consequence of housing policies pursued with varying ideological intent
Since 2010, and more so since the return of single-party Conservative government in 2015, we’ve seen something further: welfarisation – ‘a conception of social housing as a very small, highly residualised sector catering only for the very poorest, and those with additional social “vulnerabilities”, on a short-term “ambulance” basis

Here are six true statements.

(1) I grew up in a council house, without which I have no idea where we’d have been housed. My mother was 16 and we were very poor.

(2) I think I’d now be classed as a very high income family and we own two properties.

(3) I wish the council housing hadn’t been sold off, it was a disaster.

(4) lots of new estates have been built in our area, and this seems to have led to a huge increase in litter and vandalism.

(5) I work in safeguarding and I read stories that would make your hair curl about some of the people now living in our area.

(6) I’d never buy a new house because there are always ‘social’ houses and ‘problem’ families on the new estates. I didn’t work this hard to live nextdoor to a council house with problem tenants of the sort I have to deal with at work. I don’t want to live nextdoor to drug dealers, for example.

And that’s pretty much it.

This is why.

Yeah Absolutely nothing to do with developers pulling down one thousand two hundred and fourteen social homes and replacing them with eighty two. 🙄

There are many SH tenants who dont want to live near drug dealers but we have no choice

The local authority must have approved that change of tenure, the scheme will have planning for that mix. Like you I do not understand why though. Where did the people from those demolished properties go? L&Q must have made alternative provision?

Thank you for saying this

myself and DH and kids live in a HA property, we know how lucky we were to get it but we are rural so very few people wanted it anyway, its in the area I grew up in and my family are here

since being here I have completed my nursing degree and DH has done well in his job, do you really think if we had been told would would be asked to leave if we bettered ourselves too much that we would have bothered?

as someone has already pointed out as well rentals are hard to come by around here, one is put up and it’s gone the same days sometimes and house prices are just too out of reach for us

No - this is why there is a stigma. In terms of the shortage, lifetime tenancies need to be abolished. Means testing should happen annually.

I've been both low paid workers.

The difference now I'm in social housing is that I can pay for little luxuries like the council tax and water bill regularly, so not getting into debt, I can have the heating on some evenings when it's cold and my God, afford half decent food rather than stuff that's going out of date because it's cheap.

I've also not been 'given' anything, I pay rent but my HA is a non profit organisation, so they're not looking to make a living from the rent I pay as well as maintenance etc.

I've paid into private landlords profits for far longer than I've been in social housing, I've never been unemployed, so both sets of rent have come from earned income.

I agree it's not fair that all low paid workers don't have access to affordable housing, but if I went back to private rent tomorrow and all that brings, not being able to afford fixed costs like council tax, how exactly does that change anything? Even if they get my house, the bigger picture doesn't change, 1 low paid worker is paying rent they can't sustain and one is paying rent they can. One worker has a bit more security and one doesn't, and then the tables turn and the person previously at a disadvantage is now seen to have a big advantage and is vilified for that.

Seems you are worthy of social housing right up until you live in it, then you're robbing other people of the opportunity as soon as you do.

If all low paid workers are to afford to buy or privately rent homes, then people had better get their hands in their pockets and start paying enough for the services these low paid workers provide so they can, instead of expecting them to be delivered for a lower price while benefitting from that service in whatever shape or form it is.

Who said anything about loads on here slagging off private renters? [Confused] just pointing out that in my experience as a private renter in the past its been poor too in respect of other people's judgement. Agree with OP totally....

https://www.35percent.org/posts/2013-07-18-regeneration-branded-miserable-failure-at-cpo-public-inquiry/

There is also a shortage of childcare yet no one is tantrumming that a childcare placement should only be temporary until you can find an alternative. Its not the tenants fault that there is a shortage caused by gentrification.

THIS

I pay the rent set by the HA. Whether that is reduced or not, I have no idea. I didn't need to register with the council either. Our entire street and the streets surrounding it were compulsorily purchased by the council. A lot of the people living in them were old people who had already paid off their mortgages. They, too, were given an HA property.

It hit a bad note with me too.