I took down some flags and DH wasn’t happy

[LittleChopper]

On my commute today, I noticed someone had hung three large St George flags on a bridge coming out of our village. They have been popping up everywhere but this particular instance I thought “I’m not having that”. On the way home I pulled over and took them down.

when I got home and DH asked why I was binning three large flags I told him and he.. had some interesting opinions. He told me I shouldn’t be pissing off people in the village, that they have every right to hang an England flag in England, and that I’m being too political.

For a start, I would argue that I’ve always been quite strongly opinionated so he shouldn’t be surprised I did it.

Just as others have the right to their opinion I have mine. We have people in the village who are migrants… why should they have to look at that. It’s clear why they were hanging there given what’s going on at the moment and I’ve never see a flag hanging in the village in the decade we’ve been here so why else would they be there now.

I’m just so disappointed with it all. With the UK, with DH.

Next time maybe I’ll add to the collection instead. 🇬🇷🇮🇪🇮🇳🇦🇫🇧🇸🇵🇰🇪🇸🇸🇩🇿🇦🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Says you pulling numbers out of thin air...

I’m brown and tbh I actually feel quite sad that the English flag is regarded as being so toxic. I’ve live abroad and there are bloody flags everywhere. I actually think that it would be better if people reappropriated the flag and made it a symbol of united identity rather than something that should be out in the bin. People should be able to put up a flag of their country without having people tear it down. Yeah for me it’s definitely connected to the kind of person who would hate me on contact. But instead of chucking the flag away I think it should be adopted by more people, detoxify it.

Why do you assume the (presumably legal) migrants in your village are in favour of illegal immigration? I don’t think you can assume this at all.

Fingers crossed, someone will replace the flags you decided to take down.
Personally the more up the better, I know I will continue putting them up wherever possible.

No, I'm not saying that they are all evil. I have acknowledged that some of them are just stupid and easily manipulated. But some of them are undoubtedly evil.

And yes, I do know some of them. Quite a lot, actually. They are not bad people, just lacking in intelligence and critical thinking skills. I pity them, because they are the ones who will end up paying the highest price.

I save my anger for the ones who are deliberately manipulating them for their own gain.

Exactly

All the faux hand wringing "why ever wouldn't you want to see your national flag blah blah blah". We see you. For shame. These flags are suddenly going up because Tommy Robinson and his ilk are calling for it. Don't pretend you don't know that.

Or more that they’re fed up and have had enough of all this leftist woke nonsense.

The tide is turning. People have had enough.

And you had no right to take down an English 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 flag when you are in England. Especially when you seem to think it is acceptable to raise all other flags in the world when in England.

No thanks, you'll have hung St. George flags from it. 🙄

That’s nonsense. Sadly the leftist blame this far right man for this and he hasn’t helped at all. Reality is that most people who aren’t far right at all feel much the same.

They are sick of the leftist nonsense and narrative.

100% you are unreasonable and I say this as a daughter of immigrant parents. I can’t imagine an Englishman coming to India telling my parents they can’t fly their Indian flag so I’m not sure why it’s ok the other way round here. Fly your flag with pride.

If they hadn't started to appear at the same time as all the protests and disruption outside immigrant hotels then it would be different and you might have a point. We're not a country typically 'into' flag flying. Why after all these years have you suddenly decided to buy a flag pole just as the hostility around immigration is reaching boiling point?

You seem to be missing the context of all the flags and painted roundabouts. The people who talk about reclaiming the flag are the same people who are weaponising it.

Because the op says so it appears

So who called for all these flags to be put up over London telling Jewish people to F.O.?

Hamas?

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Yes, of course, they're lacking in critical thinking skills. I'd forgotten that one. Haven't seen it on a post in a few days actually.

Oh, we know the enemy, and we know ourselves too. And we accept that we may not be able to fight against this tide right now, but better to go down fighting than to be silent and complicit.

It is not the fault of good people when people choose to do bad things. You can choose to pursue whatever course you like, but you need to own your choices. "They made me do it" is not a defence.

Why did we bother clapping for the nhs during the pandemic, if they're just being paid

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All this pretended innocence ‘oh but why would an England flag offend anyone’, we all know the message behind it.

I don't particularly like the cornish flag either

Yeah, people don't always think to state the obvious because they think it is self evident.

They've popped up in my street. In a tiny village that nobody even sees as they pass by on the motorway. It's one person who's decided to take a stand. Thing is, we have no asylum seekers in this village but we do have people from all over the UK and we have some Asian people, polish, Hungarian and Jamaican people who have lived here a long time. It worries me that people are going to think I'm racist and lump me in with this one person's Vendetta against people who aren't from here. I swear this place is like Royston Vasey at times!

Can you clarify which numbers are “pulled out of thin air”?

I’ve just checked the precise official numbers:

Saturday’s march - 24 arrests

Pro-Palestine march - 890 arrests

Notting Hill Carnival - 528 arrests

If you believe the "official' estimates, then that shows your naivety. Do you really think the met police and the MSM have given true figures?

See for yourself and cast your eyes over the ariel views of the march and tell me that all those people could've fit into less than two Wembley stadiums, (Wembley holds 90,000 people) It would be impossible, so actually there's no need to answer. There was most definitely closer to a million people there, probably more.

As for reading online, just choose any social media platform for a starter, and you'll see just how much of a tiny minority there are with others who share the same views as yourself.

I’ve wondered the same thing, and haven’t come to a conclusion. How on earth do they get them up there ?

Because we like virtue signalling.

Turning the NHS into some sort of sacred vessel (hence the clapping) does nobody any good. It’s a failing organisation in desperate need of reform. Clapping isn’t going to save it.

I am an immigrant and I do almost all those things. I work and pay taxes and spend 2 weeks of my holiday allowance every year volunteering at my children’s schools and the local food bank - I have a shift on Monday. I am glad to live in the Uk and glad to raise my children here and I think it’s my responsibility as part of any community to do what I can.

But there’s definitely a new tone in conversations lately and some quite unpleasant interactions with some of my friends who are more obviously ‘foreign’. It’s unsettling and I’m uneasy.