Backlash against Trans women

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(Story on ITV news about drag performer who died after taking drug ketamine, not suicide, just a regular user it seems who took more than usual.) Thus post isn't about him.

Anyway, bloke during story moaned that 'we are currently seeing a backlash against trans at the moment, particularly trans women' (men), and 'that's not a world I want to live in'.

I mean seriously, the TRA has been abusive to women for years for even mentioning any concerns, yet now trans women are victims (again). Perpetual victims it seems. These men are frankly ridiculous. I get fed up of the men in dresses and their victimhood.

Not all men bite but some do, including some that claim they identify as women.

That's one of the reasons we exclude men from women's spaces - to protect the dignity, privacy and safety of women and girls. They're excluded because they're men.
Claiming they identify as women doesn't overide that exclusion.

If, as you claim, transwomen don't want to disadvantage women, 100% of them would stay out of women's spaces without having to be told to.

“There is no such thing as the 'right' to access spaces that belong to the opposite sex.”

This is what we keep saying.

Human rights rightfully cover the provision of single sex spaces accessible to the general public, on the basis that no one within that sex category should expect the right to privacy from their own sex. Meaning, sex segregation is legitimate. However, segregation on the basis of another protected characteristic is a not reasonable demand. For instance, male toilets should not be further segregated by sexual orientation, race, or religion for instance. It is also not the responsibility of organisations to provide any alternative if a group of people reject the provision based on their sex. They can, of course, choose to. But that is a special provision.

When gender identity is prioritised over sex when sex matters, the demand is that some male people will access female single sex provisions. This means that male people with transgender identities not only have access to male provisions that they can use, they also want access to female single sex provisions.

This means they would have full access to all the provisions provided by that organisation. This is an additional privilege and not available to any other group of male people over the age of about 8 years old.

Which other group gets such special treatment by way of additional privileges? (ie. Not based on basic human rights?)

The "right" to use unconsenting women as validation tools and unwilling participants in there fantasies/fetishs

Is a trans woman a man? Or a woman dressing up as a man? Im just curious

Absolutely this

I don't care. I won't be silenced and I don't seek to negotiate with the left because they have the brains of teenagers. There's no such thing as a trans woman, there are only men who choose to wear dresses and I have no sympathy.

As a far left Marxist I am sick and fucking tired of being aligned with trans issues. It fucking pisses me off no end to be lumped in with trans activists who wouldn't know a far left Marxist if one jumped up and bit them. Try questioning one on Marxist theory and you 'd be met with little more than a blank stare before they go back to their narrow minded bigoted view of the world. Don't even get me started on how they've purloined and bastardised the anti-facist movement.

Yep. None. Men who display their tranvestite fetish in public have precisely the same rights as normal men.

I wonder if the penny is dropping for @HerNeighbourTotoro ? That her fantasy idea of transwomen as harmless is delusional, gullible and misguided, and she doesn't actually know transwomen, we do. Just a read of the examples in this thread of how transwomen behave should 'peak' those like HerNeighbourTotoro.

This. Im an old school leftie. Im sick of people assuming this means I either support trans issues OR I align with the right on other issues. I don't do either, apart from when a stopped clock situation occurs.

I'm fed up of the whinging from them. I don't dislike them as individuals. They come over as tone deaf to the struggles of real women.

Okaay. The trans population of the UK is 0.5% of the whole population. How much actual whinging are you on about? I feel it's more the transgender haters in the last 15 years or so have been the ones do the majority of moaning.

Particularly on Mumsnet - the whinge in never bloody ending.

So what rights do you think they will lose? Every person has the same rights, so what rights do you think will be removed if people are treated as their biological sex?

For 0.5% of the population they've got such an enormous presence. They've managed to completely re-order society. To erase womens rights. To have us known us 'birthing person' on forms, and 'menstruators' and 'cervix havers'. They've managed to remove female only spaces, and to force women in Scotland to go to court just to get a fucking definition of woman.

Not at any stage or time anywhere in history has a group been so all-encompassingly powerful. Such a Sacred Caste.

Not at any stage or time anywhere in history has a group been so all-encompassingly powerful. Such a Sacred Caste.

I mean, men have always, the world over, bullied their way into power and dominance over women.

It’s everywhere!!! And although they make up such a small percentage of the population the impact is huge. We don’t care.

They might not be the same in many ways, but they do have the following in common. They are men who have stolen from women, starting, but not ending , with our word “woman”.

Which is why I don’t use the dishonest transwoman word any more. I call them what they are TIM. Trans identifying men. Doesn’t stop them dressing and living as they want, but puts some reality back in the equation.

I’m sure they have their own struggles, why is it a competition?

Why is it that transwomen’s rights and dignity involves them not having to undress in front of men,but women are not afforded that same rights and dignity to not have to undress in front of men? 🤔

They're making it a competition by vying for women's spaces.

I didn't know that was a thing? What an absolute disgrace.

So... you just skipped over those of us with absolute reason to take issue with TRAs?

Why? You know men aren't women. You know some men have availed themselves of womens spaces, services, sports etc. Why do you support them in doing so?

Google Sandie Peggie or the Darlington Nurses for current high profile examples

Any person who demands that their gender identity is prioritised over sex when sex matters is, in effect, creating a 'competition'.

It then becomes a competition as to which person gets access to that provision: the male person who demands to be treated as a female person, or the female person who has that unique need relating to her being of the female sex class that the particular provision was addressing.

And this is why we should not give it the time, it’s a mental illness so why isn’t it treated as such

As a previous poster has said Sandie Peggie is the latest example. The trans identifying male even made notes on the times she waited until he was done before entering the changing rooms.

There are many other examples. https://reduxx.info/civil-rights-complaint-filed-after-illinois-school-reportedly-forced-girls-to-change-in-front-of-trans-identified-male-student/