Backlash against Trans women

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(Story on ITV news about drag performer who died after taking drug ketamine, not suicide, just a regular user it seems who took more than usual.) Thus post isn't about him.

Anyway, bloke during story moaned that 'we are currently seeing a backlash against trans at the moment, particularly trans women' (men), and 'that's not a world I want to live in'.

I mean seriously, the TRA has been abusive to women for years for even mentioning any concerns, yet now trans women are victims (again). Perpetual victims it seems. These men are frankly ridiculous. I get fed up of the men in dresses and their victimhood.

Personally, I don't think there's any need to go into whether men who identify as women behave worse than other men.

Keep it simple. Because they are men, they should be treated exactly the same as other men in the eyes of the eyes of the law. And that's exactly what the SC judgement clarified.

That is not a 'backlash', that is returning to a sensible approach that works for society at large.

well, they are all the same in one extremely significant way : that they were born male, and will remain male until they die.

I'm not new here. Does it matter?

I thought AIBU was for general discussions about things going on. I posted about a story on the ITV news and one of the people interviewed made a 'woe is trans' comment that was nothing to do with the actual story! Why play out the supposed victimhood of men who think they are women on a story about a drag artist that had died. I thought the shoe horning of the woe poor men who think they are women (not all trans by the way, only the men that identify as women).... was ridiculous.

An old but very good article. Have a read. Recognise yourself at all.

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2019/04/10/i-supported-trans-ideology-until-i-couldnt-anymore/

Because if you run a single sex service these men are likely to target you, to set put to get you closed down if you say no to them. They have absolutely no bounds, no shame and nobody to tell them to desist

For almost a decade we have had 2 individuals contact our local and national funding providers and deluge them with accusations of discriminatory behaviour, our funding was halved for more than 5 years

One threatened, is still threatening, to publish our address if we don't hand over part of our service to him, including all of our confidential data... he has no experience or ability to run the service

We have to set aside a huge amount of money to counter repeated legal challenges, have spent 10s of thousands defending pir service

We are a small, rural, independent DV service. We have a female centre, a male centre and a specific trans services with specifically trained staff and trans specific medical and MH networking

These men ONLY want access to our female centre

Oddly trans identified women understand why we don't allow them access to our women's spaces and are very happy to access the specific services we offer

We aren't the only example of this. We now think that about 8 years ago there was a concerted effort to identify and target similar services nationally. It is an ongoing situation

This is an example of why many of us continue to push back against suggestions to 'be reasonable'

These men are not reasonable and they do irreparable harms

Brilliant article. Many of us have been on similar journeys with this topic.

Same I used to a trans ally of a friend until they became very toxic and kept sharing toxic views against women and poor people … also used to engage in risky behaviours

You’re worryingly ignorant: it’s you that needs to find out a little bit more about the reality. ‘Harm’ doesn’t just mean rape and kill. It can mean to take opportunities and promotions and scholarships designed for women. It can mean shoving them down the pecking order in competitive sport. It can mean making them feel unsafe or uncomfortable when using the toilet or undressing. It can mean bullying them verbally or having them hassled at work for failing to comply with their belief that they’ve become the opposite sex.

That ‘tiny minority’ you speak of isn’t what the massively overrepresented number of ‘trans women’ sex offenders and violent offenders in the UK prison population is currently telling us. These men commit crimes against women at a higher rate than men who don’t identify as trans. An enormous proportion of that ‘tiny minority’ are actively causing harm to women - whether that’s harm that’s serious enough to warrant imprisonment or other types of harmful impact that I listed earlier.

The problem isn’t trans people existing or getting on with their lives quietly. Very few people have an issue with that as it barely impacts them. The problem is a ‘tiny minority’ of men - it’s men, not trans-identifying women causing the problems - using their trans identity to take women’s hard-fought concessions and accommodations away from them. For example, women have been underrepresented in computing jobs for years. Now, firms fill posts with men who identify as women and view that as a real boost for women. It’s not. I’m tired of well meaning people dumbly parroting that ‘rights aren’t pie.’ Yes, women’s rights are. Because if you take a woman’s job or sporting award or scholarship and give it to a man, women lose out. If you put a man in a shelter for women, every woman in there may lose their feeling of safety to accommodate that single man.

Trans activists are some of the most selfish people I’ve ever encountered. Blame them for taking liberties with our good will, not women for putting their foot down.

As the UK population ages, more and more people are willing to tell the truth about what they can see.

Honestly, I don't care whether they bite or not. I don't want men (however identified) in our spaces and sports.

Any male who enters a female single sex space is a sexually predatory male who is not only disadvantaging women but sexually harassing them just by being there so all who use or try to use female single sex spaces

Ah, let's tick that off the bingo card ("you don't know any trans people and would think differently if you did"). I do know some transwomen, and while I don't feel in any physical threat from them, being expected to lie and call them "she" does me great damage. Watching them use women's toilets pisses me off no end too.

@SamphiretheTervosaur bloody hell they're completely vindictive.

It's transwoman not trans woman. They're not any sort of woman.

Some men are indeed vulnerable. That doesn't mean they have the right to use women's facilities. Why would it?

Exactly. It’s a male problem, to be resolved by males.

I don't pay particular attention to which is used, tbh. But I do wish that the term "transwomen"/"trans women" had never been thought of, because it does suggest that they are a kind of woman and there are many people who are still getting misled by this. "Trans-identifying males" is much more accurate.

Well this back lash against trans women is worrying isn't it? Biological women doxing them, threatening them with rape and violence, even death threats, you can't blame them being scared and upset, oh no wait.......

Of course it is. That’s why it’s not allowed in some arenas (including on here up to a couple of years ago).
They much prefer to keep it all as opaque (and murky!) as possible.

How infuriating that one malicious man is causing so much harm.

I just call them cross dressers and transvestites. Everyone understands those terms and they are accurate.

The thing is many of us did try to support them campaigning for 3rd spaces and in return for our kind offer of help we were labelled Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists ie TERFs.
Transwomen dont want 3rd spaces or to use the men's they want access to the unconsenting women in women's spaces for the validation and other more unsavoury purposes

The Transwomen I know are fairly quiet and getting on with their lives BUT they still expect you to validate them as real women, which of course they aren’t.

I tend to stay mute when H talks about knowing what it feels like being a woman because s/he has too many mutual friends who are happy to support his delusions and I don’t want to be ostracised. 😳

Agree with this especially the first paragraph.

While women’s and girls spaces, places in sport, dignity and boundaries remain threatened (and for me even if it was just one woman that’s too manyl) I don’t have a problem with trans women but I bloody have a big issue with those in that population who continue to behave like they do. And threatening women with rape and death when we dare voice challenge.

This isn’t a race to the bottom but when time and energy to stand up for others is scarce I shall continue to prioritise the rights of biological women over men everyday of the week.

We're not seeing a "backlash"
They've peaked in popularity, in turn, they've peaked the rest of the world which has become entirely disinterested in pandering to them, or their dramatics.

So now they're very annoyed.

Shame.