Why isn’t the law being changed to allow deportations?

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Just that really. Can’t understand why successive governments haven’t changed the law to stop deportations being blocked. Why does nobody want to do it? Reform will no doubt. Better to get in there first?

People can, and are, deported from this country ever day, for legitimate reasons (despite what Reform mat spin). There always needs be a process that checks that the law is being properly applied … goes for all parts of the law.

Would you prefer a system like the USA, where people are being deported without any sort of process? Citizens, legitimate tourists, residents etc … people who have committed no crime, just caught up in idealistic nonsense, that puts “deportations” above “justice”.

Yes, actually. I think those who arrive illegally shouldn’t have the same rights as citizens/those here legally

I think in this country the legal system is separate from the political system. Starmer can't just change the law, even within the political system there would need to be votes in the House of Commons and the House of Lords.

We are currently signed up to various laws like Human Rights Bill so I believe the courts are saying you can't deport anyone unless the Human Rights Bill is scrapped? And I assume there are other implications to scrapping that not just stuff around deportations. I'm not sure the govt would get a vote through the House of Lords to scrap if they tried? I'm not even sure Reform would manage it. The Tories tried with Rwanda and failed.

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It’s like criminal prosecutions.
the process needs following to the letter, any fuck ups and it’s not valid

There's money to be made. An army of lawyers and charities have their fingerprints all over the appeals process. Comic Relief, National Lottery and others. Starmer is a lawyer at heart. That's why he's so slippery and non-committal.

Because us forrins have used our ethnic, exotic charms to bamboozle your governments to allow us to stay. Only one noble man, the mythical and heroic Nigel, has resisted our forrin magic. He's the one. A multi millionaire man of the people. Against forrins. Has a slightly French name. Married to a German.

It’s baffling. I heard on the radio yesterday about the guy they were sue to swap out and he’s now lodged some spurious appeal/claim which means they can’t proceed.

change the law so if your claim isn’t allowed you are just removed. They are laughing at us and as the saying goes “if liberals won’t police the borders then fascists will”

Yep. I'm wondering WTF mumsnet is doing about this, clearly nothing.

They don’t

Are you sure? Even those of us here legally we're still forrins. Shouldn't we simply fuck off home? Come on, this is a safe space. Talk freely.

You didn't read the post you were replying to, did you?

It’s baffling. I heard on the radio yesterday about the guy they were sue to swap out and he’s now lodged some spurious appeal/claim which means they can’t proceed.

The baffling part for me is people not understanding what torture is and wanting to duck out of Human Rights law of the UK.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/contents

Those who claim asylum in a country have a process that claim has to go through, that rightly includes the right to appeal the decision as any process like that should have.

The issue at the moment stems in a large way from how long that process has taken over recent years meaning a massive backlog of people (the majority who have legitimate claims) waiting for a decision to be made

They don't. Hope that helps.

We don't need to change the law, that is what it says already.

Is your issue in fact refugees who arrive here legally?

Do you think the Jewish refugees who arrived here in the 1930s and 40s and their descendants should all be deported?

But that’s the whole point of the process. To establish who is in which catergory and who is here ilegally or who was here legally but are now eligable to be deported.

Starmer is the Prime Minister with a huge majority. Of course he can change the law… Maybe not overnight, but he could done so months ago if there was a will.

Because the far left Marxist ideology won’t allow it. But all it’s doing is generating more support for Reform, because people are understandably sick of this farce.

A reform government will mean a hardline that could be avoided if the far left weren’t so batshit crazy.

No he can’t … and for that I am pleased … despite being a Labour voter.

I don’t want a Political system, like the US, where the whims of one man decides the law.

I like an independent judiciary, and a system of checks & balances that stop up slipping into a totalitarian government.

I do wonder what specific “law” it is that people want changing ?

Should have heard the idiot with the Mickey Mouse job title of anti slavery commissioner or something on radio 4 this morning. She just about summed up the quality and intellect of these grossly overpaid thickos ripping off the taxpayers working for quangos. She couldn’t answer a single question on the system or the abuse of it.

What “far left Marxist ideology” are you referring to ? Can you share some specific examples?

if anyone thinks the current government is even remotely Marxist, I suggest you go read a few History books.