Why isn’t the law being changed to allow deportations?

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Just that really. Can’t understand why successive governments haven’t changed the law to stop deportations being blocked. Why does nobody want to do it? Reform will no doubt. Better to get in there first?

But it’s not about criminality. It’s about resources and integration to my mind.

You haven't answered who is going to pay for your detention centre idea. In order to actually make your threat, the jails would already have to be built and staffed and processes in place for healthcare, education, the treatment of minors etc. That is more expensive than simply funding the perfectly legal process we already have in place.

And no, you missed the point about home grown terrorism. What would your feelings be towards a Government that separated you from your family, and threw your parents in jail, telling them to get back to the place they fled or spend life imprisoned? Do you think you'd be more at risk of being targeted by groups who groom disenfranchised children? Even if those children are then deported when they reach the ripe old age of 18, what you do think they would feel towards Britian then?

The point about detention centres is that they would DETER people. TikTok would be going mad showing these instead of hotels and free-roaming.

The only way to stem the tide of arrivals is to make it unattractive to live here: limited financial support including housing and no bringing over multiple family members even if granted asylum.

Denmark has now instituted strong rules in this vein.

Family reunion visas have been stopped.
I think a tenner a week is not much financial incentive personally and would struggle to also eat if it were £50 a week.
Hotels filled up with the resettlement programmes but also the last government ket a huge backlog build up. This is being addressed.
The hotels are dire and most won’t be hotels after. One purchased hotel for knocking down/apparently rebuilding in Derbyshire chose to instead use it to get cash for asylum seekers (plus refurb when contracts are done) when they couldn’t yet make their building plans pay as well - that’s not on the asylum seekers.
What does ‘roam’ mean? Like not be penned in? Allowed to get fresh air?
You do know all asylum seekers are processed on arrival - bios etc - and so we would know they’ve not committed an offence here - we chose to leave Europol effectively so can’t track anything through Europe tbf but that’s not the average asylum seeker’s fault either.
I don’t want to live in a country where we treat human beings as badly as is suggested here tbh.

I don’t know what you do about children. Families aren’t really our issue are they? Out major issue is lone males currently so it’s tackling a big part of the problem.

Re. People are going to become radical terrorist. Well if your inclined to that your going to do that anyway.

There are many differences from 20 years ago. I read an article about it that said in 2002, 20% of asylum claims were granted but 75% in the 2020s. The 20 % rate was attributed to a difference in the make up of the asylum applicants. At that time also, an agreement was made with France to deter them from getting on lorries in return for some visas. Since then numbers have risen, apparently reflecting increasing conflicts in different places.

Despite paying hundreds of millions to France in the 2020s, most are not being deterred by the French from getting on rubber boats. And the boats, which used to be accurately referred to as small boats, have got bigger and now the number on board is around 70 to 80, several times what it used to be.

We have these - Worth looking up - people’s who’s claims are refused are sent to detention centres before being deported.
The Asylum system is there to work out whether people have a claim to be here. The numbers of people being housed in hotels and other temporary accommodation are there while their claim is processed. Our system means with a few limited exceptions people must be in the Uk to claim asylum here. The only way to limit the arrivals is to have a system where people can apply for asylum without being in the UK - “safe routes”

Yep, the tories deliberately allowed a pile up to feed their increasingly anti immigrant storyline.

In that time Afghanistan, Syria, Gaza, Libya and Ukraine have happened. I mean the world is not the same either.

Perhaps consider much of the worst outcome from the Tories seems to be total incompetence, the idea they made this mess as part of an agenda is too convoluted. They just are that useless.

Think about it, the only way to claim asylum for everyone but Ukrainians is on British soil. There are very strict laws and massive fibres for airlines that transport anyone without a visa.

All these were deliberate actions to make the process inefficient and worse.

People have been able to claim asylum since the 1950’s? Is this what you consider recent years?

Numbers who say in France and numbers who go to the UK are not dissimilar actually, so it is not the case that everyone wants to come to the UK.

The vast majority (70%) of asylum seekers in the world are in neighbouring countries which are low and middle income.

You just believe this jumbled up mix of misinformation. It’s frightening that this kind of lack of understanding could lead to rights being taken away (from everyone)

Far left Marxist? The previous Tory government had what, 14 years to change the law if needed and didn’t. They’re hardly Marxist.

KS has just admitted at conferences that illegal immigrants get better treatment than legal immigrants who have to pay towards NHS and earn over a threshold before being allowed to bring their family across to join them. Illegals don't have to do those things and under their human rights are entitled to bring entire family across including more than 1 wife and all DC by several wives all without paying towards NHS. This is why Reform have been so against generous treatment of illegals but now finally KS ihas admitted it's true and is finally planning to stop discrepancy.

Do you have a source for that? Something showing the actual quote?

Where did he say this?
The U.K. has only ever allowed one spouse on any visa, as we only recognise one spouse in the U.K.
Family reunion visas are stopped, for now at least, but still only accepted one spouse. They also can only happen where the person in the U.K. had refugee or humanitarian protection status - ie/ we accepted their claim of fleeing from sort of persecution, which indicates their spouse/kids are living in a bit of a poor situation.
If you meant all refugees are bringing in several wives and children, on the boats, why are we hearing about only ‘fighting age males’ arriving.

Wow, just fuck off with this vile rhetoric.

No, the immigration situation isn't "great", but all human beings are exactly that. Anger is being directed in the wrong place.

Whilst I'm technically English as I was born here, both of my parents are Danish. I look it. I have been offered "help" at road crossings by elderly people who assume I'm Eastern Euro and have little English.

People are fucking people. We all have the same stuff inside. Direct your anger correctly, and this doesn't only sit with the current Government.

Not sure this is vile rhetoric? By casting it as such you really don’t see how you are making the situation re immigration so much worse by painting anyone with legitimate questions as hateful?

@mercilousming similar here and not one person ever has mistaken me for an Eastern European. If you live in Peterborough, say, where there are many EE immigrants then maybe, but that would apply to anyone, not just you. I can only imagine you must have been wearing some sort of national costume for random pensioners to assume you were Polish/Bulgarian etc.