Why isn’t the law being changed to allow deportations?

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Just that really. Can’t understand why successive governments haven’t changed the law to stop deportations being blocked. Why does nobody want to do it? Reform will no doubt. Better to get in there first?

Why is allowing for a fair process "far left Marxist ideology"? Suppose someone turned up at your door and said you were being deported without a valid reason, wouldn't you want an opportunity to put your case in front of a neutral panel?

The UK is a signatory to the ECHR and this prevents them from deporting people. We’d have to leave the ECHR before we can change our laws and this is seen as a big step and could have other implications such as the Good Friday N Ireland agreement relies on us being ECHR signatories.

personally I think if we are to defeat Reform in an election Starmer should leave the ECHR and immediately replace it with a mirror UK bill of rights act that does exactly the same as the ECHR but allows for the deportation without appeal of unwanted immigrants.

The whole ‘we don’t want be like America’ argument is really spurious. It’s like the ‘we don’t want a health insurance scheme cause we don’t want to be like America’, forgetting that countless countries run things perfectly well to benefit their citizens without doing things the way the Americans do.

I agree. I’m not a bot. Or hard right. If rather the left got a hold on this than have Reform, who will push through a law. To the person who said it wouldn’t pass through the Lords - they can’t stop laws only hold them up afaia

This is what I have been thinking EXACTLY for a few years now

I tell you what is getting boring accusing people of being bots just because they are asking questions you don’t like!

It’s not about changing the law - the law isn’t ours to change. It’s to do with the convention for human rights.
Reform wouldn’t ’change’ any law. They wish to withdraw us from the convention.

Is this aimed at the op? You think they’re a ‘bot’?

What's to stop them changing other parts while they're at it? Like your right to free speech, or a fair trial?

They don't have the same rights. For example, they don't have recourse to public funds, so can't claim benefits beyond the small allowance provided to them. They are not allowed to work.

There needs to be a efficient and timely process, with a fair assessment done first time. But then all the appeals which expensive lawyers profit so hugely from should be stopped. These lawyers take huge amounts from the public purse under the guise of 'human rights', profiting from both the taxpayer and the difficulties of others.

If it was much quicker, those with genuine reasons would be able to work and support themselves, and those without a strong case removed quickly.

Yes, pointless posting on here these days!

All those rights that are protected under the EHCR …you would trust a Government to protect these rights? A goverment that could be of any persuasion?

All of these rights . .. not just the ones you like, but the rights of people who may have very different views to you, and have very different views to the Politicans who are in charge?

Or are we just removing Human Rights from “Immigrants”? Can we get some clarity on what that means?

Should people in this country, regardless of how they arrive be free from Slavery? Are we happy to send people back to Countries who routinely torture people, or execute people due to thier sexuality ? You fine with that ?

Which is why Labour ought to do it not Reform. I trust Keir Starmer to protect citizens rights far more than I do Farage!

It is funny, but I thought you might reply along these lines, ES. It is odd you chose to reply to me rather than others who have made similar comments.

Anyway, I was talking generally in response to the observation made by TwoBagsOfCompost.

Bot or troll hunting on threads is against Talk guidelines. As you well know.

Please share with us which of the grounds of appeal you think are spurious and why. I'm genuinely interested.

As a general principle though, I think any legal process should have a right of appeal. Judges and juries aren't infallible, and the appeal process is a way of making judges accountable.

And sometimes lawyers make a poor job of representing their clients. No-one should suffer injustice because their lawyer was a twat.

It’s just not all Labour and those posters use the bot accusation now and post to mnhq to stop other views

A far left Marxist ideology 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Dear God how have we arrived at a point where people can post such complete nonsense?

Hint - the Starmer government isn't far left - it isn't even centre left. HTH

So why are you doing it.

Agree. It’s finally no longer a political echo chamber on here. I guess it’s hard for some to realise that we don’t all agree with the left. Nor does it make people fascist or whatever the insult of the day is because of it.

That is funny I thought you might to the pp post PS

But Reform are way ahead in the polls and are going to withdraw from the ECHR as soon as they get in. Unless Keir jumps the shark it’s Farage who’s going to be making our bill of rights. We have to get out now while we have a decent PM to come up with an alternative.

Yep. It’s not a Labour FB site

This is what Republican John McCain said about human rights: "Human rights exist above the state and beyond history — they are God-given. They cannot be rescinded by one government any more than they can be granted by another. They inhabit the human heart, and from there, though they can be abridged, they can never be wrenched."

There would be massive implications to pulling out of the European convention on human rights (which they'd have to do), it would damage political and even trade relationships with other countries and risk destabilising Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Peace agreement.

It would be a real political battle to get it through the Commons, there is no guarantee at all that all Labour politicians would vote to withdraw.

You've then got our UK Human Rights Act - the courts can currently say that a deportation goes against this. So that would also need removing. And these things aren't just protecting people against deportation, UK citizens would lose a lot of rights.

The one thing they did change ... coming out of Europe... has led to the current state if affairs. Took us outside of the Dublin agreement and we can't now send back asylum seekers.
Solution is to re-join Europe or maje our own laws rather than live with European laws.