Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…

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… rather than the smuggling / trafficking gangs that are responsible for the journey?

I think it’s very extreme to put all of the blame and the anger at the individual that arrives, rather than the people responsible for orchestrating the whole process. These individuals are often ‘sold the dream’ and hooked in by organised crime groups who direct them to the UK. I’ve looked at sample routes from different parts of the world (screenshots may be pending) and these are complex and would need local people, as well as law enforcement, customs officers and other government officials to turn a blind eye involved in smuggling across multiple borders.

It’s no secret that these crossings likely cost a lot of money, and I think it would be safe to assume that refugees would often be in crippling debt to the OCGs who will put pressure on them to pay it back, by threatening them and their families and I would go as far as to say they could then be coerced in to further committing crimes when granted asylum in order to pay back their debt.

These OCGs are likely involved in other trafficking / crime, not just of asylum seekers but likely drugs, weapons and sex as they have the connections across those borders.

I think it’s very unlikely that an asylum seeker is sitting there looking at all the European government websites and shopping for a country with the best benefits package and approaching a trafficker with a brochure like they’re picking a Jet2 holiday. But this is the narrative that’s often put us and fuelled in the media.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have a better system and want to control our borders better on a whole, but this sheer anger and blame placed at the human in front of us seems very misplaced, when they were likely manipulated in to thinking they can have a better life in this particular country and not another, and the problem is way way bigger than an individual.

I'm sorry that you experienced that with your son.

I don't think anyone is saying that it's racist to have concerns about immigration though, or that it's racist not to want open borders etc. It's only racist when people choose to express those concerns in racist ways.

Asylum seekers arriving via aeroplanes, ferries, lorries seem fewer

Asylum seekers arriving via boats have increased over time.

Many of these people are actually economic migrants who want a better life.

UK borders are poor

UK people cannot just go to another country & live there. There are rules.

UK are welcoming & have taken refugees, evacuees &
asylum seekers over the years.

It is not why people are coming, but how they are coming that bothers people.

Also house all UK homeless (was done during covid)

I believe that we should take more women & children from camps due to wars round the world.

There seems to be no easy solution & people will not stop coming

but if nobody wanted to enter the country illegally the people smugglers/organisers wouldn't operate. Whereas if they didn't operate there would be people still willing to try to enter the country via other methods.

I fully appreciate your point. We could all put ourselves in the position of someone wanting to access a safe country where we spoke some of the language and felt we'd be treated fairly whereas the smugglers don't have any altruistic or understandable rationale we can sympathise with.

But ultimately it's still the asylum seekers themselves driving the demand. It's a bit unfair to take all agency away from them - even if we ever managed to somehow completely end all small boats crossings/organised groups people would still attempt it on an individual basis via lorry etc.

I do have to ask - what is the difference between arriving on a lorry, or on a dinghy?

Cynically, the likelihood of being successfully apprehended whilst still on French soil.

Or you could not be snarky when someone points out an equal fact to yours but you don't like it.

It isn't an "equal fact" though.

Why not?

Which law prevents people from paying to travel on small boats?

The gangs wouldn't exist if they tried to enter legally.

The illegal migration act

And why are so very many of them young, fit, single men?

I'm surprised the last government or any right of centre party is no suggesting a processing centre in the heart of Paris. Especially the " the French are our real enemy" people.

No they don’t, so if people know they are less likely to be granted asylum due to numbers or whatever, wouldn’t YOU go to a country more likely to let you in??

40% of those coming in on small boats are female. 20% are children. It’s most likely to be younger men for two reasons:
they are the ones most likely to be drafted into fight in wars they don’t want to fight in or believe in. They are also the most likely to be killed by the taliban if they don’t submit to their will.
they also send the people most likely to survive the crossing in the boat, and then the other family can be brought over safely at a later date.

makes perfect sense to me,

People aren’t happy because it costs £££.
There aren’t enough houses, school places , jobs etc for the people who were born here.
We need a system similiar to Australia.
The UK are a soft touch.
The risk of sexual offences are increased when men from countries with high levels of domestic abuse and violence come alone without their families.
People don’t want a muslim majority.
People are scared of sharia law.

These are the reasons I’ve heard recently.

Most of that act has been repealed.

Germany host most and don't risk a channel crossing.

And look where we are.

A country so sick of illegal immigration that Reform are looking likely. Something that would never, ever have been on the cards if the previous Governments had dealt with it.

The U.K. allow 48% to stay to germanys 44%.
also why should Germany take more than us? Surely the right thing to do is for all countries to take some so no one nation is overwhelmed? Or is it just a case of NIBYism on a massive scale for you?

Pull your head out of your arse,if you can't see the difference.

Hope that helps

If only there was an alliance that shared the workload and balanced the responsibility… oh wait. The same people that told us to Brexit are the ones telling us we need to stop the boats.

Stop telling lies, or cite a reputable source for your nonsense.

People are ‘sick of illegal immigrantion’ based on half truths and flat out lies from Farage and co, and the people who can’t be arsed to think for themselves, the racists and the lacking of any kind of empathy have been sucked in. Again. the same people who lied to you about Brexit are still lying to you, and no one even thinks to check some facts or even talk to an immigrant or two and hear their side of things.

that act was repealed because it was bullshit and breaks international law on numerous counts.

NIMBYISM, yes, but also 4% isn't worth

A) crossing a channel and risking death
B) paying a trafficker and the risks of that
C) not being able to support my family because of the above.

For a 4% increase.