Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…

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… rather than the smuggling / trafficking gangs that are responsible for the journey?

I think it’s very extreme to put all of the blame and the anger at the individual that arrives, rather than the people responsible for orchestrating the whole process. These individuals are often ‘sold the dream’ and hooked in by organised crime groups who direct them to the UK. I’ve looked at sample routes from different parts of the world (screenshots may be pending) and these are complex and would need local people, as well as law enforcement, customs officers and other government officials to turn a blind eye involved in smuggling across multiple borders.

It’s no secret that these crossings likely cost a lot of money, and I think it would be safe to assume that refugees would often be in crippling debt to the OCGs who will put pressure on them to pay it back, by threatening them and their families and I would go as far as to say they could then be coerced in to further committing crimes when granted asylum in order to pay back their debt.

These OCGs are likely involved in other trafficking / crime, not just of asylum seekers but likely drugs, weapons and sex as they have the connections across those borders.

I think it’s very unlikely that an asylum seeker is sitting there looking at all the European government websites and shopping for a country with the best benefits package and approaching a trafficker with a brochure like they’re picking a Jet2 holiday. But this is the narrative that’s often put us and fuelled in the media.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have a better system and want to control our borders better on a whole, but this sheer anger and blame placed at the human in front of us seems very misplaced, when they were likely manipulated in to thinking they can have a better life in this particular country and not another, and the problem is way way bigger than an individual.

They hadn't done anything to deserve that and the people responsible for it should be punished to the full extent of the law.

Remind me, how many people died or were injured as a result of these hotels being set on fire?

They are all economic migrants, there is a system to be played and NGDs like Care for Calais tell them how to play it.

Lol. We can at least agree on the importance of teaching critical thinking skills in schools. It would make a big difference.

That was Greece?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/09/16/migrant-boat-pushed-back-to-sea-on-greek-island/

It’s ok that they became aware that the appalling behaviour some of their community had foisted on the local population was going down like a ton of bricks. Let’s hope it had a positive effect and they realised they are in a liberal country that has standards that value and protect women and children.

Poland.

What a country, it now has a ONE TRILLION DOLLAR economy, it's an amazing place, it's safe and it follows it's values. I'd actually like to move there

It's accomplished that without open borders, without mass migration and without DIE.

What did the media say negatively about Poles that the Polish media wouldn't say if hundreds of thousands of British people moved there?

whereas refugees from English speaking countries want to go to the UK.

If refugees speak such good English why do millions of pounds have to be spent on interpreters for law courts, police stations, NHS and DWP?

You clearly don't know what you're talking about. How can you possibly say that they're all economic migrants? Have you interviewed each and every one of them and checked out their individual back stories?

You stated in your earlier post that "the only time they are being made to feel uncomfy is when they've done something and a member of the public has had the bravery to make a stand against their behaviour."

Do you not think you would feel a bit "uncomfy" if a baying mob was trying to set fire to the building you were in? And yet you acknowledge that the residents of that hotel had not done anything to deserve such treatment.

All the kids would become right wing, without a doubt.

Why are the boats kept in a compound then transported back to France? Someone did an investigation and discovered this. I suspect the government are doing it deliberately and bringing these people across themselves. You can't tell me it's not possible to have patrols off the French coast and these boats could be tugged back to shore and then destroyed. Repeat ad infinitum. We still have a navy don't we?

If they were just claiming asylum they would have done that in the first safe country they came too and not pay a gangster £2000 to put them in a dingy.

It makes you wonder exactly what's going on.

It's ok that innocent people were terrorised? Wow.

The hotel fires were a response to the Southport murders, which were committed by a British citizen. Nothing to do with asylum seekers, despite the misinformation that was flying around at the time.

Shame on you.

Same old misinformation. Yawn.

How do you know they are all economic migrants.

In your dreams, my love.

As I’ve always said when it comes to migration via the dinghy’s , hate the game not the players and hate the Government past and present for not cracking down heavier on this.

Shame on you for being so anti British and projecting your snowflake mentality onto a bunch of people you’ve never met.

How am I anti British?

You see, we don't swallow this anymore.

The Southport murderer (have you read how many times he stabbed the kids, F me) was a second gen migrant who's parent's came from Rwanda after and who hated British people.

You can call him British if you like, in reality, he was a British passport holder and that's it. You can cuddle the technicalities of that if it makes you feel better

They really would.

"Hey kids, shall we do some critical thinking on the rising population of the UK and the potential negative effects of there being inadequate services"

"but miss, last month you said diversity was our strength"

Absolutely - it’s recovered massively and is prosperous. Would I say the streets are safe? Sure, would I say I align with their stance on women’s rights? Probably not, having MCs myself I probably wouldn’t want to be interrogated and potentially prosecuted like many women there do, but we are going off topic. No country is amazingly perfect on all fronts. Asylum is available and granted to some - but they are very much second class citizens. They do grant asylum to folks from Somalia, Ethiopia and Eritrea and Belarus statistically the most (excluding Ukraine as that’s a unique scenario), appreciate not at the volume of the UK.

I came here at the peak of ‘they’re taking our jobs and benefits and sending it all back to their families in Poland’ and sure, if Brits chose to migrate in large volumes they would likely say the same. But what has that to do with me having empathy towards the same now being said to asylum seekers who (if genuine) have a lot more on their shoulders to deal with without the hateful speech?

Yes, he was British. Are you trying to imply that he wasn't? On what grounds, exactly?

Is it because he isn't white? Because his parents were immigrants? Please explain what exactly you're "not swallowing" any more. Don't be coy, tell us what you actually mean.

I'd also like to know the answers to these questions – and I'm interested too in how many generations you need to be able to trace your ancestry back to be able to say you're British. And who decides that?

They really wouldn't. But carry on deluding yourself if it helps you.

I genuinely love the Polish people I work with and have to get myself over to the country.

My company has offices is two Polish cities and I know all about the Ukranian scenario.

However, please don't compare the migrant policies of your country with mine, I'm not an idiot.

Your country is clean, safe, prosperous - the UK isn't - you country doesn't have mass immigration, the UK does.