Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…

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… rather than the smuggling / trafficking gangs that are responsible for the journey?

I think it’s very extreme to put all of the blame and the anger at the individual that arrives, rather than the people responsible for orchestrating the whole process. These individuals are often ‘sold the dream’ and hooked in by organised crime groups who direct them to the UK. I’ve looked at sample routes from different parts of the world (screenshots may be pending) and these are complex and would need local people, as well as law enforcement, customs officers and other government officials to turn a blind eye involved in smuggling across multiple borders.

It’s no secret that these crossings likely cost a lot of money, and I think it would be safe to assume that refugees would often be in crippling debt to the OCGs who will put pressure on them to pay it back, by threatening them and their families and I would go as far as to say they could then be coerced in to further committing crimes when granted asylum in order to pay back their debt.

These OCGs are likely involved in other trafficking / crime, not just of asylum seekers but likely drugs, weapons and sex as they have the connections across those borders.

I think it’s very unlikely that an asylum seeker is sitting there looking at all the European government websites and shopping for a country with the best benefits package and approaching a trafficker with a brochure like they’re picking a Jet2 holiday. But this is the narrative that’s often put us and fuelled in the media.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have a better system and want to control our borders better on a whole, but this sheer anger and blame placed at the human in front of us seems very misplaced, when they were likely manipulated in to thinking they can have a better life in this particular country and not another, and the problem is way way bigger than an individual.

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People are still supported by the state when unemployed so it’s an easier decision. We probably can’t keep supporting people to the extent some would like.

My neighbour was born in Cyprus, to a British serviceman and woman, does that make her a Cypriot?

Instead of smashing the gangs, why don't the government employ them to take the people elsewhere?

Was she born in the SBA (Princess Mary Hospital), she probably was.

if she was born in the SBA, she's very definitely British.

Pay off criminals to conduct their crime elsewhere 🤣🤣🤣🤣 that would be a story and a half!

Apart from the crime aspect they make billions in profit. They’d not stop for a job

That is so strange. I went to Fuerteventura last year, it must have moved out of the Canaries!

Why are they coming here and not staying in the first safe harbour they reach? Why are they not going to countries more culturally compatible with them? Why are they risking their life to flee France?

The organisers are terrible, but no-one forces the individual asylum seekers to use them. It's a bit like the situation with drugs - drug dealers are terrible, but no-one forces people to buy drugs from them. Individuals have choices.

I don’t know what a “Briton” is, but I don’t think I’m a one either.

My great grandmother was Irish, on my mums side, they emigrated here for work before my grandmother was born.

Does that make me a 3rd generation immigrant?

I think Ireland is already doing okay, maybe they don’t need me to go “back.”

@ColdSalads could you elaborate on what someone has to do to be a “Briton,” and how far back into our family trees we have to go to check?

I'm just speaking truths. My local premier shop, the staff are wonderful and I'm lucky to count them as my friends. However, when we go to the cricket, they are not putting on an England shirt.

People from the British Isles are all of the same stock, divided only by religion. Call yourself an immigrant if your Irish if you want too, I wouldn't class you as an immigrant.

I was born in England. My ancestors on two lines are Scottish. I wear a Scotland shirt to rugby internationals. Am I not English?

Ireland is an entirely separate nation.

Yep, within the British isles and the people are no different from those in other countries in the British isles

You're British and can wear whatever shirt you want.

You wouldn’t class me as an immigrant because it’s closer and because I’m white and Christian. I’m actually an atheist, but my family originally were Irish Catholics.

Ireland is a different country. My entire maternal side of the family migrated here, exclusively for economic purposes.

Shall I hand my passport in now, or later?

I think you’ll find many Irish people disagree with you. They’re Europeans, for a start.

Why don't you ask yourself that question? What situation would you need to be living in in order to risk your life to leave?

No, I don't class you as an immigrant, but thanks to your family for helping to build the UK.

You're free to class yourself how you like.

So are your friends at the Premier shop, now, because that’s what they have deliberately chosen to be. Where I was born was pure happenstance. They can wear whatever shirt they like, too.

Geographically I'm a European too. What's your point?

Do you actually know what the Republic of Ireland is?

Of course they can, that's not the point.