To think there is some kind of weird push towards the far right?

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I’m the first to admit that I am not the best informed - I prefer to keep my life stress free and simple as much as possible, and don’t have a TV, don’t read papers, and only listen to the radio when I’m driving (which is quite often). For my own mental health I prefer to live in my own little bubble.

But even with my limited exposure to media, I’ve noticed on Radio 2, both on the news and Jeremy Vine’s show, Reform are being given so much air time considering their paltry amount of MPs, the polls are being discussed regularly even though we’re years from an election. More than once listening to the radio I’ve thought the way they’re talking makes it sound like Reform winning the next election is a done deal, and thought to myself that this is how self fulfilling prophecies happen.

My algorithms on FB are seriously messed up. Despite having never been remotely interested in anything in the least bit right wing, all of a sudden I’m getting endless posts from knuckle dragging ‘patriot’ groups that I don’t even follow, with really horrendous and openly racist comments, thousands of them, which somehow FB are allowing to remain even though any kind of hate speech has always been censored on there. Why are these posts suddenly being allowed and pushed in my face?

Alongside this there seems to be a new story pretty much every day about the latest scandal involving Labour (again reported by the BBC), ok these things aren’t great although compared to the Tories’ rap list from their last spell in government, are fairly small fry really. It seems like there’s an active push for people to rebel away from the left just as the far right are gaining momentum.

Has anyone else noticed this or am I talking shite?

Tell me that you've got nothing of value to add to a discussion without telling me that you've got nothing of value to add.

What's your analysis of the current situation in Japan?

And this is the crux of all our problems.

I'm not allowed to celebrate multiculturalism and how it makes Britain a better place because I'm (presumably a MC white woman) who isn't from Luton? It's so restrictive. The politicians and the algorithms have boxed us all in and I think it's wrong.

It's one point of view, admittedly. I didn't pay to get in Belton for what it's worth (free event) but I do know as a child of a single parent who worked but had to rely on benefits and without a car, that these things aren't as "open to all" as advertised.

Would I fight for a country that allows people to mix and for kids of all backgrounds, no matter colour, religion, origins or wealth to have access to everything that is wonderful about our country? Yes. Does that make me a naive moron? Also yes, probably. I don't care.

This is what I was going to say.

The Japanese are fiercely proud of their country and they can see the effect mass immigration has had on Western Countries and they don't want that.

OK, so a very simplistic analysis then? Fair enough, I wouldn't necessarily expect you to know anything if you don't speak the language or have a detailed knowledge of the country.

My entry point into this thread was that my daughters secondary school teacher set her a YouTube 'documentary' (looked to be made by a content creator rather than a proper documentary) to watch as homework. I do not feel the need to comb through the national curriculum to try and further support my anecdote if that is what you are sniffing about for?

Ah so you've taken a snippet of one lesson, in one school and taken that to mean that we are teaching that our best quality is diversity? Right. So another baseless claim.

Sorry, I wasn't aware you were asking me to provide an essay on the introduction of mass immigration into Japan.

I wasn't asking to you provide an essay at all. Just wondering why you were wading into a debate about something that you obviously knew nothing about.

I shouldn't be surprised though. People do often express opinions on stuff without any actual knowledge or understanding of what they're talking about.

You and your lovely Japanese friends discussing the joys of MC over a cup of Ocha is a world away from what's happening in the UK and what is going to happen.

What is going to happen?

The entire premise of the lesson was that diversity is our strength which is a direct quote from the mayor of London. And I was expressing that there was a time when I would not have questioned that and I now find that it no longer sits right with me for that aspect of Britain to be singled out as our most important quality. What is baseless about that? You've taken umbrage with this for some reasonn and have tried to micro-analyse my words on a granular level in a clumsy and fruitless attempt to pull them apart when I'm quite certain you could be spending your time more profitably in other endeavors. I'm not sure you even know what point it is you are trying to make at this stage.

They don't need to care, nobody does, I'm not demanding a flying unicorn, just policies that aren't overtly hostile to me, I'll support whoever does that.

A Reform government which will offer practically no change and the people realising that no matter what the politician, they won't address their concerns. The people might decide they want to become ungovernable and the state and the police lose control and our trust society evapourates for good.

Or.

We all get given digital IDs and at the merest hint of trouble or dissent, your bank account get's deactivated.

Why have all these rules and definitions about what people are, you may find it liberating.

Well, yes, given that I was commenting on what has been happening in Japan, I wouldn't really expect it to be the same as what is happening here in the UK. There are some similarities, for sure, but Japan and the UK are very different societies as most people will be aware.

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make, other than to express your dislike of anyone who you perceive to be middle class, seemingly on the grounds that they don't share your views.

Here we are. Just stating shit you read on Facebook as fact when even the most cursory of research would show you were incorrect. If you are here in good faith of course, which I doubt.

I fucking hate 2025.

I also used to vote Green until the trans lie and they showed women didn't matter. I've not voted for them since. They are the reason for their own downfall, facts matter.

So why has your opinion changed?

Why do you no longer feel multiculturalism is something to be proud of? What has changed for you?
Is it something that has actually happened or have you been swayed by the opinions of others?

This is what interests me as every list across all political aspects included multiculturalism as a reason to be proud of our country. Until last year.

Yes. Less money in their pockets, the desire for a simple answer to complex problems, unwillingness to engage with evidence, and gullibility.

Which, when pointed out to them, makes them feel like 'the left' is patronising and looking down on them.

But Farage promised a healthier economy and lower immigration if the country voted to leave the EU. So the country did. Our economy fell and then was in a terrible position when the pandemic hit, immigration rose to record highs.

People have seen what happens when you believe Farage and his simple answers. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

I found all of these charts wildly interesting and maybe people here will too.

There's a marked difference between how people feel about where they live, and what they consider to be the state of the country.

What the challenges are locally, and nationally.

And what they consider more important - lower migration, or everything else.

The likes of Farage and Robinson are pandering to fears, not actual reality.

The source is here, if anyone is interested: samf.substack.com/p/burn-it-down-vs-build-it-up?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F23e5becf-7c0f-4c78-bffb-22b48e9f5a79_903x500.png&open=false

I think it's important to consider the bigger picture. The British public need to have political representatives that deliver the need and desire of the majority. Politicians recently have not covered themselves in glory. Those who respect the British flag and our wonderful British history and culture are not "knuckle dragging patriots" ( remember if you start calling people names, you're losing the argument!). We are celebrating our brilliance and the enormous difference we have made to the lives of people across the world during and since the industrial revolution c1780. We also celebrate people that want to come to Britain to enjoy our success and participate and contribute. Arriving with no good reason or qualifications or desire to work, but just to take from those of us who may not be wealthy, is not acceptable, and this does not make somebody racist.
I understand that immersing ourselves in politics is no good as it can feel very stressful, but actually our everyday lives are linked to what our politicians do on our behalf. So when we think about schools, hospitals, car parks, councils, pensions - we are all responsible for what goes on and who we vote for. The BBC has notably been representing views more to the left than the right in recent years, and there is a bit of a correction going on.
Also I don't think anyone is purely right or left. There are nuances and shades within politics, and we have to make informed decisions about where our vote goes.

That graphs are very interesting -thanks for posting them.

I asked you earlier in this thread, when you accused me of hating British culture, whether you could give specifics of exactly which bit of British culture you thought were endanger.

I provided a long list of the elements of British culture I loved and I dont think any of them.are at risk from immigrants or multi-culturalism.

You are yet to give any specifics - so come on - what bits of British culture do you think are disappearing?

Please do try to at least mention something in the last century rather than only things that occurred between the battle of Hastings and the abolition of slavery!

I have the same issue with the feed of Facebook. I am blocking those posts and filtering out stuff I don't want to see. All this flag and right wing rhetoric is extremely scary. I have stopped watching the TV news.
All I will say is getting rid of immigrants and putting up flags will not solve the issues this country faces. It will make things a whole lot worse in the long run. There are people out there sowing the seeds of division and that's what we need to be wary of.
I don't think you are being unreasonable.