To fear new left party is being dominated by trans agenda

[Aliceisagooddog]

I am a Jeremy Corbyn supporter, ex Labour member. I was initially excited at the formation of 'Your Party'. However, after following some initial meetings I am very concerned that the leadership are centring trans 'inclusion' above all else. Zara Sultana stated that there is no place for 'socially conservative' people in the new party!! I think she is deluded if she thinks the left can win without ordinary people who will simply not go along with trans ideology.

Good. Keeps Fruit & Nut as far away from power as possible.

I think many ordinary people don't really care that much one way or the other about trans issues. It's a relative minority who hold vocal views, either pro- or anti-.

Hilarious and inevitable.

Agree with you on all counts 👍

Left’s holy alliance is built on a contradiction https://www.thetimes.com/article/0966b0b4-6745-415c-9cc1-44f16c6d6560?shareToken=1eb0849f340e9691aac629dcd904d857Left’s Janice Turner on the conflicting agendas of the new party well worth a read.

Sorry for messy link, can’t change it

most ‘ordinary people’ i know do think that trans rights are important, so i don’t foresee it as an issue for them that trans rights are in the forefront of their policies

If you have tween/teen children, particularly if they're autistic, trans ideology is an ever present spectre, with threats of physical harm to your children.

Not having an opinion is very much a luxury for those with (literally) no skin in the game. Never has a phrase been more apt.

Agree. I do wish the progressive left would progress in a direction that served the interests of the many not the few. I've no time for social conservativism either. But to me that's about breaking down the traditional systems and structures that cause wealth, sex and class inequality, not being rent an ally for whatever niche cause might want us to fight on their behalf.

@5128gap you describe much better what I wanted to say better than I could. It makes me despair that on this issue I find myself in sync with people and parties whose other policies I do not support. And has resulted in not voting Labour last time, despite having done so all my voting life. And to be called bigoted as a result. Shouldn’t be seen as a left/right issue.

If there is no place in Zara Sultana's party for people who think sex is real, important, immutable and not to be conflicted with gender identity then the party is doomed and deserves to be.

I am delighted to see the far left lunatics siphoned off from the Labour Party. They can find a way to reconcile the parts who think women have penises with those who love Hamas and Hezbollah and they can all agree they hate the Jews.

I'm disappointed they didn't choose one of the suggested names (Jezbollah, LeftOvers, Nuts&Sultanas).

I agree. I don't think there's that much focus on it with most people.

I don't agree
My little hobby group of 10 women ,do care very much about female spaces and not wanting men in our toilets ..
I'm the youngest of the group ,and I care the least about it

Don’t worry it will be trans and Gaza. Oh the irony

That's the opposite to the people I know ..but they are mainly older

The ‘hard left’ is very unlikely to win anyway.
I’d be delighted if the extremists of whatever variety left for one of the new parties and both labour and the conservatives could return to some sort of sensible pragmatic more centrist positions.

Me too!

Reminds me of The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy where the annoying, useless and un-productive section of society was sent off to another planet.

…except iirc they, rather than being the spaceship with all the clever productive people on it turned out to be who populated the earth.😬😂

I will be amazed if this new party actually gets off the ground because it’s glaringly obvious that Corbyn & Sultana cannot stand one another.

In the highly unlikely event that it actually does happen, their main campaigning issue will inevitably be Gaza / hatred of Israel. Firstly, because it’s fundamental to securing their key target voter bases of Muslims & leftie students. Secondly because it’s the only thing that lefties really, properly care about. Far more than, for example, irrelevant stuff like the economic interests of white working class British people. Gaza is the issue which radicalises, unites & motivates them.

Trans rights will be a secondary issue, largely because it is an obvious wedge which could very easily split their supporters. Not many Muslims support trans rights, and not many student lefties oppose them.

They have no interest in winning. Like all protest parties, their whole identity is bound up in purity spiralling.

If they want to get people listening, and by that I mean the ten to 15 percent they could get, they need to focus on other stuff, mostly inequality type messaging.

The Trans agenda is infiltrating all parties but they are especially targeting the Greens (many women raising the alarm have been kicked out or left).

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