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Faking a protest - utterly pointless.

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UninterestedBeing12 · 15/09/2025 01:06

I was at the last night of the proms. I go if I can be bothered to get through the process of getting a ticket.

I've been a handful of times in the last few years. This time was pretty exceptional.

If any of you saw it, the entire auditorium is filled with EU flags and people wearing EU berets.

If you watch it, it looks like a staged protest. It looks deliberate that all these people brought these flags with them to make a point, and it always looks like that.

But here's the thing every single time I go there is a pressure group that attends. I'm sure many of them don't even have tickets to the event. I think they attend just to hang around outside the hall and hassle, people actually going.

They come armed with masses of EU flags and these hats and they literally don't leave anyone alone handing them out.

The queue starts forming for the arena and gallery quite early before five pm. This pressure group, don't stop combing the queue and approaching anyone they can to hand out these free EU flags and hats.

Most people just take them because they're being handed out for free. Especially if they haven't brought their own flag So they've got something to wave. Equally I saw a few of them had been thrown in the bin.

But this group is so persistent, it actually gets quite oppressive. I think in the hour I was in the queue, I told somebody from this group. about five or six times no thank you to an EU flag. I voted remain but enough is enough, the vote was nearly a decade ago.

Watching the Last night of the proms it looks very much like a protest with all these eu flags filling the arena in particular. But here's the thing there was no organisation there.

None of these people brought those flags with them. They were literally handed out by the same pressure group that attend every year and don't leave people in the queue alone constantly trying to push these flags and hats onto people. I could see a few people took them just to be left alone and then threw them in the bin later on in the queue.

What is the point of creating a fake protest or making a fake statement that isn't actually there.

None of those people got up that morning and decided they were all going to bring eu flags to the last night of the proms. Virtually no one had brought one with them. They were all handed them out by a group in the queue for free. Almost no one decided to take a EU flag to the proms.

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HeddaGarbled · 15/09/2025 01:29

Yeah, them prom-going folks, they’re so uneducated, they’ll wave anything.

UninterestedBeing12 · 15/09/2025 01:33

HeddaGarbled · 15/09/2025 01:29

Yeah, them prom-going folks, they’re so uneducated, they’ll wave anything.

If you haven't already decided to take an EU flag with you, that says it all really. No one got up that morning and decided they were all going to bring an e u flag with them.

Those who had brought flags with them, it was ireland wales, scotland or a flag from whatever nation, they were from. I saw a south korean flag for example, among many others.

I really wish the royal albert hall would ask them to leave the area.

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toomuchfaff · 15/09/2025 09:51

Why do you even care what flag a stranger decides to accept or wave.

What difference does it make to YOU???

I really wish the royal albert hall would ask them to leave the area.

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 15/09/2025 10:00

I watched the last night of the proms and was absolutely delighted that the audience neutered the weaponisation of the Union Flag by happily including it amongst many others.
I thought it was a lovely display of tolerance and diversity.

Swiftie1878 · 15/09/2025 10:06

UninterestedBeing12 · 15/09/2025 01:06

I was at the last night of the proms. I go if I can be bothered to get through the process of getting a ticket.

I've been a handful of times in the last few years. This time was pretty exceptional.

If any of you saw it, the entire auditorium is filled with EU flags and people wearing EU berets.

If you watch it, it looks like a staged protest. It looks deliberate that all these people brought these flags with them to make a point, and it always looks like that.

But here's the thing every single time I go there is a pressure group that attends. I'm sure many of them don't even have tickets to the event. I think they attend just to hang around outside the hall and hassle, people actually going.

They come armed with masses of EU flags and these hats and they literally don't leave anyone alone handing them out.

The queue starts forming for the arena and gallery quite early before five pm. This pressure group, don't stop combing the queue and approaching anyone they can to hand out these free EU flags and hats.

Most people just take them because they're being handed out for free. Especially if they haven't brought their own flag So they've got something to wave. Equally I saw a few of them had been thrown in the bin.

But this group is so persistent, it actually gets quite oppressive. I think in the hour I was in the queue, I told somebody from this group. about five or six times no thank you to an EU flag. I voted remain but enough is enough, the vote was nearly a decade ago.

Watching the Last night of the proms it looks very much like a protest with all these eu flags filling the arena in particular. But here's the thing there was no organisation there.

None of these people brought those flags with them. They were literally handed out by the same pressure group that attend every year and don't leave people in the queue alone constantly trying to push these flags and hats onto people. I could see a few people took them just to be left alone and then threw them in the bin later on in the queue.

What is the point of creating a fake protest or making a fake statement that isn't actually there.

None of those people got up that morning and decided they were all going to bring eu flags to the last night of the proms. Virtually no one had brought one with them. They were all handed them out by a group in the queue for free. Almost no one decided to take a EU flag to the proms.

Well the protest group got their wish of publicity, although it would be good to know what they are protesting about?

UninterestedBeing12 · 15/09/2025 10:34

toomuchfaff · 15/09/2025 09:51

Why do you even care what flag a stranger decides to accept or wave.

What difference does it make to YOU???

I really wish the royal albert hall would ask them to leave the area.

Because they harass people and its intimidating. That's why I wish the Hall would ask them to leave.

They dont even have tickets to the proms most of them. They turn up with a pile of cheap flags and naff blue berets with gold stars glued onto them and most of the stars were already dropping off before getting in the door , they were that badly made.

I was only in the queue for an hour and I was approached about 5 or 6 times so roughly every ten minutes I was offered an EU flag and hat for free. I dont want this shite and I will choose what I bring to a performance

They literally walk up and down the length of the queue constantly looking for people to hand it to until we go inside. It's quite intimidating. How many times can you say no before they leave me alone.

That's the difference it makes to me. I didnt need to put it in bold as you did as I can read.

People watching the show think everyone is staging a protest to rejoin the EU whereas no one decided to bring them it was handed out for free by a pressure group.

I fail to see the point.

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UninterestedBeing12 · 15/09/2025 10:34

Swiftie1878 · 15/09/2025 10:06

Well the protest group got their wish of publicity, although it would be good to know what they are protesting about?

To rejoin the EU i presume. I voted remain and even im sick of this now. The vote was nearly a decade ago.

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UninterestedBeing12 · 15/09/2025 10:35

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 15/09/2025 10:00

I watched the last night of the proms and was absolutely delighted that the audience neutered the weaponisation of the Union Flag by happily including it amongst many others.
I thought it was a lovely display of tolerance and diversity.

Youre one of those...

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SirBasil · 15/09/2025 10:36

They literally walk up and down the length of the queue constantly looking for people to hand it to until we go inside. It's quite intimidating. How many times can you say no before they leave me alone.

then you call over security and tell them to take action

or you SHOUT really loudly until security come (and maybe eject you)

how difficult is a polite hand-wave away and no thank you.

CurlewKate · 15/09/2025 10:37

UninterestedBeing12 · 15/09/2025 01:06

I was at the last night of the proms. I go if I can be bothered to get through the process of getting a ticket.

I've been a handful of times in the last few years. This time was pretty exceptional.

If any of you saw it, the entire auditorium is filled with EU flags and people wearing EU berets.

If you watch it, it looks like a staged protest. It looks deliberate that all these people brought these flags with them to make a point, and it always looks like that.

But here's the thing every single time I go there is a pressure group that attends. I'm sure many of them don't even have tickets to the event. I think they attend just to hang around outside the hall and hassle, people actually going.

They come armed with masses of EU flags and these hats and they literally don't leave anyone alone handing them out.

The queue starts forming for the arena and gallery quite early before five pm. This pressure group, don't stop combing the queue and approaching anyone they can to hand out these free EU flags and hats.

Most people just take them because they're being handed out for free. Especially if they haven't brought their own flag So they've got something to wave. Equally I saw a few of them had been thrown in the bin.

But this group is so persistent, it actually gets quite oppressive. I think in the hour I was in the queue, I told somebody from this group. about five or six times no thank you to an EU flag. I voted remain but enough is enough, the vote was nearly a decade ago.

Watching the Last night of the proms it looks very much like a protest with all these eu flags filling the arena in particular. But here's the thing there was no organisation there.

None of these people brought those flags with them. They were literally handed out by the same pressure group that attend every year and don't leave people in the queue alone constantly trying to push these flags and hats onto people. I could see a few people took them just to be left alone and then threw them in the bin later on in the queue.

What is the point of creating a fake protest or making a fake statement that isn't actually there.

None of those people got up that morning and decided they were all going to bring eu flags to the last night of the proms. Virtually no one had brought one with them. They were all handed them out by a group in the queue for free. Almost no one decided to take a EU flag to the proms.

So are you saying that people are waving EU flags without knowing what they mean?

UninterestedBeing12 · 15/09/2025 10:38

SirBasil · 15/09/2025 10:36

They literally walk up and down the length of the queue constantly looking for people to hand it to until we go inside. It's quite intimidating. How many times can you say no before they leave me alone.

then you call over security and tell them to take action

or you SHOUT really loudly until security come (and maybe eject you)

how difficult is a polite hand-wave away and no thank you.

I will next time call over security.

Most people have more going on in their lives than to stand there all day, hand out flags to an event they're not even attending. Pity they have to do that and don't have their own plans.

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randomchap · 15/09/2025 10:40

You know, it's possible to just say no to these flags and hats if you don't want them.

Are you saying you want the Albert Hall to throw out people with tickets because they are waving a flag you don't like? Sounds a bit snowflakey to me

IceCreamWoes · 15/09/2025 10:40

As if you voted remain 🤣

DiscoBob · 15/09/2025 10:46

UninterestedBeing12 · 15/09/2025 10:34

Because they harass people and its intimidating. That's why I wish the Hall would ask them to leave.

They dont even have tickets to the proms most of them. They turn up with a pile of cheap flags and naff blue berets with gold stars glued onto them and most of the stars were already dropping off before getting in the door , they were that badly made.

I was only in the queue for an hour and I was approached about 5 or 6 times so roughly every ten minutes I was offered an EU flag and hat for free. I dont want this shite and I will choose what I bring to a performance

They literally walk up and down the length of the queue constantly looking for people to hand it to until we go inside. It's quite intimidating. How many times can you say no before they leave me alone.

That's the difference it makes to me. I didnt need to put it in bold as you did as I can read.

People watching the show think everyone is staging a protest to rejoin the EU whereas no one decided to bring them it was handed out for free by a pressure group.

I fail to see the point.

They can't ask them to leave the public street.
If someone is genuinely intimidating then call the police. But I hardly think it's really a criminal matter.

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 15/09/2025 10:51

UninterestedBeing12 · 15/09/2025 10:35

Youre one of those...

If you really think; given the March in London that day, that an Albert Hall full of Union Flags would be a good image then you clearly (to use your words) are one of those.

And last time I attended the last night of the proms (over 30 years ago) there were people handing out Union Flags outside. Would you have whined about that too?

SirBasil · 15/09/2025 10:51

UninterestedBeing12 · 15/09/2025 10:38

I will next time call over security.

Most people have more going on in their lives than to stand there all day, hand out flags to an event they're not even attending. Pity they have to do that and don't have their own plans.

you sound very judgy. Leave them to do their thing and ignore them.

Seems that plenty of people were happy to take a flag in and wave it.

(as for Brexit, as it is the gift that keeps on giving us shit, i am not surprised people are still harping on about it)

Take your own flag in future, and just say "no thanks, i'm good for flags, thanks"

ETA: of all the regular cultural events in the UK over the year, there are 2 that are pretty famous for flags: Glastonbury and the Last Night of the Proms)

BoredZelda · 15/09/2025 10:55

UninterestedBeing12 · 15/09/2025 10:35

Youre one of those...

And, you’re one of those.

Would you have been so “intimidated” if they were handing out U.K. flags?

PosiePerkinPootleFlump · 15/09/2025 11:02

Yes the vote was nearly a decade ago, but the detrimental economic effects are still being felt and will be felt for decades more. I can’t imagine ever saying ‘oh it was all years ago’ and not campaigning to change things

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 15/09/2025 11:06

Thought I'd pop this on to cheer you up OP.

Faking a protest - utterly pointless.
PsychoSyd · 15/09/2025 11:07

Funny, I was also at Last Night. Yes, the EU people were there, with their flags and berets, and I saw them giving them out to anyone who wanted one. What I didn’t see, or experience, was them harassing anybody to take one and I was there from around 2pm that afternoon (I’m a Prommer, so was there early to start the festivities with my fellow Prommers 😀).

The road around the Albert Hall is public highway, and the security cannot ask or force the EU people to move or go away which they could if it were private land.

Greggsit · 15/09/2025 11:12

People watching the show think everyone is staging a protest to rejoin the EU whereas no one decided to bring them it was handed out for free by a pressure group.

Do they? I didn't think that. As someone else pointed out, there were lots of flags there. Why would anyone be surprised that some of them were EU flags? Or think that everyone that had tickets had all decided to set up an enormous Whatsapp group to coordinate a protest? You're reading too much into it because you don't agree with them.

TheOtherAgentJohnson · 15/09/2025 11:17

Nobody put a gun to the promenaders’ heads and made them wave the flags. Don’t be such a fucking melt.

Flakey99 · 15/09/2025 11:22

Just imagine, all those thick uneducated mostly middle class people waving EU flags at the Last Night of the Proms.

Won’t somebody think of the poor musicians???? 😱

I wonder how many of them stood pissing up walls afterwards????

Ballywas · 15/09/2025 11:22

How were any of the people that were given the flags made to wave them?

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 15/09/2025 11:27

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