to think that people have the right to smoke without being villified as if they were using cocaine?

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i'm a non smoker. make that a never smoker, apart form one incident when i was 13 and had a huge coughing fit.
i am really really shocked at how people are reacting towards people smoking. it is not the worst thing in the world, and i just feel really uncomfortable athow they are making smokers out to be pariahs.

Oh, so people should not smoke inside or outside, nor in their own homes? Jesus.

I guess your problem can be solved by better insulation, I have lived in many flats and never had this problem? Sorry, not sure what else to suggest this is just a thought.

I find car fumes unpleasant, and I have no control over breathing them in. But hey ho, its just the way things are. Its hardly the end of the world, and I can guarantee that I breathe in a hell of a lot more car fumes than you do cigarette smoke.

Got no choice THW i have none havnt had one since yesterday which is nto helping my stress levels at all i have an appoinmtnet at docterd for my dpression tomorrow and if he takes one look at me all hes going to see is a short tempered, tired snappy, twitchy person

TFM - I rationalise my non-attempt because I enjoy smoking.

"There are smokers its a fact you have to deal with but you cant expect never to have to see or hear of it again".

It's sad though, when the people who have to deal with the fact that there are smokers, are the children who have no choice about whether they are subjected to it or not.

TWR, hope your appointment goes well.

Hope you can sleep soon.

raven - possibly, in 5 years time or whenever, I will be posting the opposite of what I am now.

Unlikely, as I doubt I will ever become the kind of person who is so unaccepting and judgemental of other peoples free choice.

But you never know

And whos child do i subject to it?
if there is a child near me for example in a bear garden i will not light up.
If i am on my doorstep and i am talking to non-smokers i will wait til they have gone.
I dont smooke in parks.
I dont smoke in doorways.
I smoke alone in the wide open fresh air and there is nobody that doesnt smoke and no children around me so who am i harming?

Thanks hunker im hoping he'll pescribe me some sleeping pills but seeing as im a lone parent people have said he wont which sucks becasue the kids sleep right through

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"If i'm the one with the problem then its up to me to move. I think its bloody selfish to demand someone stop smoking near me in a public place just because i object to it".

I didn't suggest anyone demanded anything.
I said politely request, or suggest - can't be bothered to go back and check.

I am struggling to understand the concept that it is more selfish to risk offending someone who would happily smoke in front of a pregnant woman, than it is to take steps to protect that child.

I couldn't handle the "it hurts when I breathe in too deeply, maybe it's something sinister" thing - that's a big part of why I gave up. Children not on the horizon at the time (in fact, when I gave up, it was just before I was told I couldn't have children).

Yes but pruners we cant smoke in our own homes anymore not if you have kids so the next someone complaining will be " theres smoke coming in from my open window"
We cant win there will always be someone having a go and have you thought what its like to be sneered at or muttered at everyday for your choice? It wears on you certainly.

...& if I chose to shout obscenities at the top of my voice in a public place TheHedgeWitch? Or let off a canister of CS gas?

I wouldn't demand someone moved if they were smoking in a place where it was allowed, fwiw. But their behaviour would clearly impact on me.

DSM says she smokes at the bottom of her garden - at that point fair dos, she's limiting the effect on others as much as she can. Around others, in public - it IS inconsiderate.

"And whos child do i subject to it?"

I wasn't talking about you specifically, I was talking in general.

but thewoman - thats not the issue. There is no need to offend anyone. If you don't like it, you move.

Goes for anything.

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See, I find it hugely frustrating because my dad smokes. He is diabetic, both his parents died of smoking related diseases, and he smokes.

And he gives me the same answer as you DSM.

And I think do you really enjoy it so much that it overrides the reality of the health effects?

I don't get it. I'm unconvinced by the "I enjoy it" argument.

THW's mother's argument is more believable, IMO.

I think most smokers say that they enjoy smoking, but the truth is that, once you're addicted to tobacco, you continue to smoke in order to feel "normal". Any "enjoyment" gained from it is actually the relief you feel when you have another hit.

Pruners- we have a bit of a similar problem- the shared house next door- they smoke on the front step and the smoke comes through into our hallway and through the cellar vents up into the house. They also flick dimp all over and they often blow onto out path and doorstep. DD is alway picking them up. We've asked them to pick up their dimps, but when they've come back from the pub and sitting in the front step, I think they forget. We get on well with our neighbours, btw.

I think that's more like it Molesworth.

Who is suggesting creating friction and upset?