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To think we need to learn how to debate again

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MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 11:58

There is ever decreasing tolerance for people with different views, People think they have the moral high ground and that their views are the only ones which matter.

This view is endorsed in schools, the work place, the Media (even the BBC has stopped any effort to be unbiased). The more intolerant we are the wider the divide is becoming.

Schools need to be teaching kids to debate, it needs to be part of the national curriculum, schools need to welcome all views equally and discuss them.

Universities and work places need to stop censorship of views.

It is largely the far Left who seem to dislike reasoned debate.

If we taught people how to explain, how to listen to alternative perspectives the world would be much better

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Finteq · 11/09/2025 11:59

I agree with your sentiment but don't agree with blaming one part of society.

Yes we should debate mor and it's a great skill.

BallerinaRadio · 11/09/2025 12:01

This isn't about debate is it? You've made up your mind where the blame lies

Chiseltip · 11/09/2025 12:03

We need to remove the laws around causing offence. The fact that someone can be arrested, never mind convicted, for expressing an opinion, is ridiculous.

Once that is done, then we can start to debate properly.

ComfortFoodCafe · 11/09/2025 12:04

All going well till you blamed the left.
its not left, right, centre people its just people in general.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 12:06

ComfortFoodCafe · 11/09/2025 12:04

All going well till you blamed the left.
its not left, right, centre people its just people in general.

Maybe I put that in on purpose to prove a point - you’ve made well - so thank you

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DashboardConfession · 11/09/2025 12:06

BallerinaRadio · 11/09/2025 12:01

This isn't about debate is it? You've made up your mind where the blame lies

Agreed.

Some opinions don't deserve a platform. One could say publicly calling for hotels housing migrants to be set on fire is "an opinion".

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 12:07

Chiseltip · 11/09/2025 12:03

We need to remove the laws around causing offence. The fact that someone can be arrested, never mind convicted, for expressing an opinion, is ridiculous.

Once that is done, then we can start to debate properly.

Totally agree.

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K0OLA1D · 11/09/2025 12:08

I mostly agreed until you placed blame

didntlikeanyofthesuggestions · 11/09/2025 12:08

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 12:06

Maybe I put that in on purpose to prove a point - you’ve made well - so thank you

Great debating champ.

We can't have debates without people recognising facts and reality and those days are behind us.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 12:08

BallerinaRadio · 11/09/2025 12:01

This isn't about debate is it? You've made up your mind where the blame lies

On the contrary, it’s precisely about debate. Have you ever taken part in one? If you disagree with (my purposely placed) point debate it, not me!

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octaviaduarte · 11/09/2025 12:11

The left scare me so much. They seem to want so much authoritarianism and a complete clampdown on any kind of dissent or alternative view.

JHound · 11/09/2025 12:11

It is largely the far Left who seem to dislike reasoned debate.

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MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 12:11

K0OLA1D · 11/09/2025 12:08

I mostly agreed until you placed blame

Edited

Well debate the purposely placed point

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K0OLA1D · 11/09/2025 12:12

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 12:11

Well debate the purposely placed point

My dinner break isn't that long

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 12:13

JHound · 11/09/2025 12:11

It is largely the far Left who seem to dislike reasoned debate.

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Please read my response to the other people who fell down that rabbit hole. Oh the irony of commenting on a thread about debating with emojis- another good point

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MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 12:14

K0OLA1D · 11/09/2025 12:12

My dinner break isn't that long

Ah I see.

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MissyB1 · 11/09/2025 12:15

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 12:08

On the contrary, it’s precisely about debate. Have you ever taken part in one? If you disagree with (my purposely placed) point debate it, not me!

Edited

My 16 year old is in a debating team that reached the national final of a debating competition last year, (yes some schools do teach it actually), he would think you tripped yourself up big time in your OP, and he would be straight on it! It's you that needs to learn how to debate properly I think.

JHound · 11/09/2025 12:15

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 12:13

Please read my response to the other people who fell down that rabbit hole. Oh the irony of commenting on a thread about debating with emojis- another good point

No the bias and nonsense was evident from that point. I’ll leave it there.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 12:16

DashboardConfession · 11/09/2025 12:06

Agreed.

Some opinions don't deserve a platform. One could say publicly calling for hotels housing migrants to be set on fire is "an opinion".

And it is an opinion.so maybe follow that point up with an argument about consequences of opinions. Bring out a proper argument.

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MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 12:18

JHound · 11/09/2025 12:15

No the bias and nonsense was evident from that point. I’ll leave it there.

So you fell into a rabbit hole, the only comment you can make is, despite the evidence “no it’s not, you’re biased”. Seems to prove the point.

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Underthinker · 11/09/2025 12:18

No political leaning has the monopoly on reacting angrily to dissent or disagreement.

However I personally come up against it far more with left leaning people, despite having thought of myself as quite far left for most of my life.

I don't recall being insulted in the same way for the many times I disagreed with those on the right.

MorningLarkEchoes · 11/09/2025 12:19

I think you are flogging a dead horse with this one OP. I do agree with you though. Unfortunately some people aren’t capable of taking part in a reasoned debate, unless it follows their approved narrative - the same people who think someone should be cancelled for voicing an opinion they don’t approve of.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 12:19

MissyB1 · 11/09/2025 12:15

My 16 year old is in a debating team that reached the national final of a debating competition last year, (yes some schools do teach it actually), he would think you tripped yourself up big time in your OP, and he would be straight on it! It's you that needs to learn how to debate properly I think.

Can you explain that more fully (or get your 16 year old to do that)
Congratulations to your son on reaching a schools final.

My OP was purposefully worded.

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Worktillate · 11/09/2025 12:27

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 12:16

And it is an opinion.so maybe follow that point up with an argument about consequences of opinions. Bring out a proper argument.

I actually agree with your sentiments OP but I disagree that what @DashboardConfession said is an opinion.

Stating that migrant hotels 'should' be set on fire is an opinion. A horrific, unjustifiable one, but an opinion. A viewpoint and should create nothing more than the debate and the merits and inverse of said viewpoint.

What @DashboardConfession said of calling for migrant hotels to be set on fire is a call to action and effectively an incitement of violence. This has been covered under law for years.

What we seem to have lost is the distinction between the two

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 12:30

Worktillate · 11/09/2025 12:27

I actually agree with your sentiments OP but I disagree that what @DashboardConfession said is an opinion.

Stating that migrant hotels 'should' be set on fire is an opinion. A horrific, unjustifiable one, but an opinion. A viewpoint and should create nothing more than the debate and the merits and inverse of said viewpoint.

What @DashboardConfession said of calling for migrant hotels to be set on fire is a call to action and effectively an incitement of violence. This has been covered under law for years.

What we seem to have lost is the distinction between the two

You’re right there is a distinction between the two, and yes that distinction has been lost and would depend on wording - like you say

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