Children having their own seat on a packed train.

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I am on a packed train. A child who is about 3 years old is sat in their own seat and not on the parents lap, would you ask to sit down and the child sits on parents lap? People were standing.
Thank you

Rightio.

My DC wasn’t sitting in a disabled seat and the adult didn’t give any reason for needing the seat, so I think it’s fair to assume they weren’t disabled.

I also have hidden disabilities, but would never expect a child to stand for me without at least explaining that I am disabled and need to sit down.

In the 70s and early 80s people travelled with half a dozen children in the boot of their car,

I see children using a seat, next to their parents, while adults stand. I think it’s absolutely astonishing. The lack of consideration for others is mind blowing.

Some children have mobility issues too and if it's a busy train with wheelchairs folded etc it can be difficult to tell.

My son looks perfectly physically capable of standing sat on a train seat when his wheelchair is folded but he can't stand at all.

So people acting in accordance with the train rules published on National Rail are the selfish ones, rather than the people ignoring the rules for their own convenience?

Indeed. Imagine thinking you have a right to someone else's seat. Mind blowing.

Maybe time to reflect upon your sense of entitlement?

Rightio.

Well said!

😂 fair enough

This

“ entitled” is a current social media buzzword used to describe people that hope for civility.

Exactly. As a child, in the prehistoric seventies, l and every other child of that age in that generation, would have been sitting on their parents' laps so that an adult could have the seat. She knew that it was she who had that responsibility to others. As did l in the nineties. I am an adult and have been for a long time. Having been considerate to other adults in the past, surely others could show some consideration towards me. Would you have your selfish attitude towards my mother, who is in her eighties but looks younger, because she has no obvious disabilities?

And is it really too much to hope for?

Agreed. I hope posters on this thread don’t moan about those kids growing up to be disrespectful, rude and selfish adults. Cos that is definitely the message the mum is giving and teaching to her child.

We tended to do that but occaionally had someone kick off about that - I remember FIL kicking off back having offered his seat - either you want a seat or not and the kids are our concern not yours.

Indeed. Imagine thinking that civility should be legislated, because people are
stuck in solipsistic bubbles of selfishishness and obliviousness.

I think this speaks to some interesting changes in how kids are viewed in society. Now, we believe them to be people with AS MUCH RIGHT to a seat as an adult. This is so obvious to most people in their 20s, 30s, 40s it doesn't even need to be said. Perhaps to people of an older generation it seems odd. I don't think my children should automatically give up their seat for an able bodied adult. I don't want them to feel either superior to OR LESS THAN anyone else. And as they mature I expect them to look after others who need help more and more, reflecting their growing maturity and capability.

What would you have done if you had had 2 children under 4? One on your lap and where would the other have gone?

There seems to be a tranche of unfortunates that regard civility as beyond them.

I did and I had them both on my leg - one on each leg.

My 3 year old would not sit on my lap on a train. So no. Maybe book a seat??

Civilisation is measured by how it treats its weakest members.

*lap