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How would you feel about this wording?

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ByTipsyRubyBalonz · 11/09/2025 00:26

How do you feel about this wording about a pro Palestine meeting held on company time and that it singles that Israeli or Jewish can attend but they must meet the criteria?

The company is public sector ish. This is a group for work colleagues to help the world be anti racist.

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BloominNora · 12/09/2025 10:32

@Ddakji - its really difficult isn't it.

While I obviously don't share the genetic memory of persecution that Jewish people do, I completely understand where Zionism came from and the acceleration of it after the Holocaust and I fully accept that the current state of Israel has a right to exist.

What blows my mind is the hypocrisy and lack of understanding from all sides

The failure to acknowledge that the palastinian people (ancestorily and culturally) have also suffered huge amounts of persecution over the years - long before they became a predominantly Muslim population and that the terrorist tactics employed by Hamas in the name of achieving a Palastinian state have a lot of parralels with those used by the Irgun in the name of achieving a Jewish state.

I don't actually think Hamas do want a Palastinian state - I think they use it as a reason to try and get rid of Israel and that Hamas is a manipulation of Palastinian desperation by Iran - but that is a different conversation.

I can absolutely understand why the Palestinian people felt that the methods employed by Hamas might get them what they want - given that it 'appears' to have worked for Israel (I say appears because I am fully aware that it was a whole lot more complicated).

I don't know how this conflict will ever be resolved but I hope it is for the sake of the millions of children, women and men in both Israel and Palestine that just want to live peaceful lives.

AgentPidge · 12/09/2025 10:46

TowersofGable · 11/09/2025 00:46

It’s only discriminatory if they’re applying additional conditions on Jewish / Israeli staff that they don’t apply to others (and so treating them less favourably).

My reading of it (and I appreciate I may be wrong) is that they don’t welcome ANYONE who wants to express views supportive of Israel and its policies. So they’re applying the condition equally across the board.

Mentioning Jewish and Israeli colleagues specifically is presumably to avoid allegations of discrimination - i.e. they’re welcome if they comply with the same condition they apply to all attendees.

That said, I’m amazed an employer is permitting this meeting. It’s just asking for trouble.

Yes. That's my reading too.

I went to a rally in support of Palestinians and there was someone there holding the Israeli flag, shouting and trying to drown out the speakers. This is what your work doesn't want. Sounds as if they're just trying to be practical.

PlusBarrette · 12/09/2025 11:23

AgentPidge · 12/09/2025 10:46

Yes. That's my reading too.

I went to a rally in support of Palestinians and there was someone there holding the Israeli flag, shouting and trying to drown out the speakers. This is what your work doesn't want. Sounds as if they're just trying to be practical.

It's practical to single out Jewish people?

Swiftie1878 · 12/09/2025 11:55

Ddakji · 12/09/2025 09:05

Thanks. Yes. I think your statements are downplaying what Israel is. It’s meant to be the one country in the world where Jews can finally be safe and not persecuted. It’s not “just another country where Jews live”.

Edited

Well that is a different discussion, frankly.
Trying to feel safe in Israel has been rather counter-productive because of the ways it’s been navigated by successive Israeli governments.

AgentPidge · 12/09/2025 14:45

PlusBarrette · 12/09/2025 11:23

It's practical to single out Jewish people?

I see what you're saying. No. I stand corrected. They could have - should have - worded it in a less discriminatory way.

NoSoupForU · 12/09/2025 16:50

EasternStandard · 12/09/2025 09:46

Yes I’m wondering how @NoSoupForUis defining it

Extreme doesn't always mean it isn't common. It can also mean a view which is at odds with the norm, or harmonious life. Zionism is that.

PlusBarrette · 12/09/2025 17:57

NoSoupForU · 12/09/2025 16:50

Extreme doesn't always mean it isn't common. It can also mean a view which is at odds with the norm, or harmonious life. Zionism is that.

The belief that Israel has the right to exist as believed by the majority of Jewish people, is at odds with a harmonious life? Are you saying most Jews are extremists?

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