Freedom of speech isn't tolerated by some

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comment/2025/09/10/charlie-kirks-shooting-terrible-moment-american-democracy/

Political violence on the rise.

People are getting angry when people have Political views they don't agree with. Freedom of speech must be allowed not shutdown.

Tragic news of a young family man shot by someone today. Please remember he was a human with a family. Violence is never ok.

This is so well said.

@Idinnaenahare you sure what you’re saying is correct?

And your views of gay people being thrown off buildings? Was that Charlie's fault?

Don't know who that is sorry. I haven't seen anyone "dancing on the grave" any more than those during the last fatal attack aimed at Democrat politicians or the attack on the Pelosi's. All of it is awful. All sides are responsible for an inflammatory political situation that is leading to escalation of violence. Obsession with left & right and who is more wrong is just perpetuating the problem. I've long thought the US was a powder keg based on my own experiences in-country. When will people see that making enemies of your neighbors or celebrating officials demonizing half the country for votes or fame or money is just going to make this whole thing worse? Who wins, ultimately?

Both left and right believe the other to be misguided or wrong. But the left have gone a step further, believing people on the right aren’t just wrong - they’re actively evil. They’re convinced that just by virtue of being on the left, they have the monopoly on goodness, fairness, kindness. So it’s easy then to dehumanise those on the right and shrug off violence against them.

I think it should be checked for accuracy too

Yes it was interesting to me that my 17 yo knew immediately who he was yesterday when I didn’t really.

Absolutely spot on. Progressive liberals aren't even recognised by some staunch leftists.

The problem though, is words incite. If your followers are spoiling for a fight, a bit unstable, your words can have disastrous consequences - the insurrection and attack on the Capitol for example, incited by mere words. So those with a public platform have a duty to be mindful of the power of their words

So you accept that it is a guess then. Not "fact" as you were claiming. Yes, it could be someone with a political motivation. But that doesn't mean that you can call guesses "fact" until we know more.

This. ^ The tedious and continual threads bashing the England flags and anyone who flies them are boring me so much now that I just instantly hide them. Literally CBA to debate with such narrow minded people, who refuse to see anyone else's point of view but their own, and try and shout anyone down who DARES to have anything other than a left wing opinion.

I have seen 1 to 2 threads a DAY bleating about 'The Flags' for the past 2-3 weeks, and they all say the same thing. How many fucking threads does one subject need FFS?!

If there's one thing 'The Left' hate, it's ANYone who doesn't think the same as them ... They do NOT believe in free speech, for anyone (except themselves!)

They live in a leftie echo chamber, and scream 'racist,' 'bigot,' and 'thick as mince' at anyone who is not left wing. It's just white noise now, and I can't take anything they say seriously.

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Indeed the US isn't the UK, but we're usually about five years down the line. We mustn't let it happen.

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So well put.

The problem though, is words incite.

Not according to Lucy Connolly fans.

Thank you. 😘

We're not about five years down the line. We banned hand guns after Dunblane.

Our knife laws are so strict It's difficult to carry anything more than a vegetable peeler in public without a reason.

We show no sign of imposing, expensive healthcare and not caring if the people can't afford it. The biggest cause of personal bankruptcies in the US, is because of medical bills.

We offer one year of maternity leave.Whereas the US is usually a few weeks unpaid.If they give any at all. They get about 10 days of paid annual leave if they get any at all. They have no workers rights.

We are not just a step behind from the US and we never will be.

More speculation.

I repeat, no one yet knows the motivation of the shooter. Nothing was etched onto the cartridges, no manifesto has been found. Until some kind of evidence comes to light, you have no idea whether the victim's religion was a factor. Speculation like this helps no one, it allows rumours to spread with no consideration for truth. It's utterly irresponsible.

I didn't realise Kirk called for himself to be shot dead.

The right to bear arms to Americans does NOT mean that they advocate killing people they disagree with!

One can support the right to have a gun but not support violence.

And before you start, I’m very anti-gun.

No, he just accepted that gun deaths are an unavoidable unfortunate consequence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praise_the_Lord_and_Pass_the_Ammunition

Yeah ok, that's a play that could be lifted from the American evangelical playbook. Been there, done that. From the mid-60s to today they're still doing it, and it's morphed into the political leadership of today (all by design, by the way, the sheer amount of money and mobilisation poured into it is staggering and all a matter of public record).

I remember the absolute horror and disdain I was treated with when people realized I supported gay rights and didn't think being gay was a sin. My husband was barred from positions at church and called demonic and evil for his own position on the same matter. If we couldn't guarantee we would "come into line" and stay in line always and forever we could come to church, but we couldn't serve in any leadership positions ever. And definitely we couldn't vote left, not even a tiny bit. This was - oh maybe 4 years ago?

This group is in large part Trump's base, and CK's base. I recognize so many things in their schtick that I was taught verbatim as a teen in church.

That's not to say the left (if you can call it that in America, less-right is probably more accurate) has it right. They do the same thing. Both are wrong. Both need talking down. But only one is in power at present, and enacting laws with very real harms attached. Because they are in the govt their behavior carries more weight. If the Democrats were in and behaving this way my answer would be the same.

So he didn't incite it then. 🤔 really not sure why @serendipityjane thought Lucy Connolly was relevant, here.

Hear hear. If Jesus turned up in the USA today he'd be denounced as a 'communist' for espousing such radical ideas as kindness to strangers, helping the needy and the meek inheriting the earth. As for providing free healthcare to lepers...

It wouldn't surprise me if the far right killed him as a strategy to inflame tensions.

The US has a history of killing its own people.