AIBU to assume that the majority of posters read The Daily Mail or The Telegraph??

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I relatively new around here but judging from several threads about flags, trans and autistic, people, there seems to be a lot of posters who love seeing the St Georges Cross up everywhere, are anti-trans and wouldn't give much credence to the struggles that autistic people face. Seems to me they must believe everything they read in The Mail or The Telegraph. Or am I being unreasonable?!

I also feel depressed about the divisiveness of contemporary politics and culture. I’m old and it’s never been this bad. I’m sure it’s the internet and SM setting everyone against each other for clicks and dollars.

And whenever there’s anything, absolutely anything, which could potentially bring people together, someone rubbishes it and tells us we should reject it.
i have friends across the political spectrum but that’s because we recognise the things we have in common and value them. Oddly enough, my DM-reading friend is one of the most woke…and yes, she gets teased, but I think she reads it partly to rebel against stereotyping.

I read the Guardian in Saturday ( but often shout at it /find it smug/full of middle class bollocks). Also read Private Eye.
Wouldn't wipe my arse on the Daily Fail or the Sun.
Listen to Radio 4 but again sometimes find it smug and sometimes right wing.
How about u OP?

I think this page is hugely left wing , just look at the pile on and shouting racism at just about anything they don’t agree with .

@2dogsandabudgieI can promise you as a Daily Fail hater I would never link a thread to it. Probably wouldn't even know how to do that. Literally can't bear it and the people I know who swallow the utter shite and hatred they spew out. So misogynistic.

@FutureMarchionessOfVidalWELL PUT!

I have digital subscriptions for the Times, the Telegraph, (a limited bit of) the FT, and the New York Times, plus I support the Guardian for a couple of £ per month. I listen to R4. I value a balance of editorial inputs. I'm centre right politically. No interest in celebrity or the Royals.

Nick Robinson is the personification of smugness!!

Love Private Eye. I check out The Guardian too, Also Al Jazeera,and thejournal.ie

I find flags a bit annoying but they don't affect me either way. Autism is a serious problem. Trans is too vague a term really but I don't think people can change sex if that's what you mean?

Never read the mail or Torygraph. I've given up on the Guardian. Used to be a Communist but I'd settle for a proper Labour government. La lotta continua....

I subscribe to the Guardian online, but rarely a day goes by that I don’t look at the Daily Mail online. How else would I know what celeb is flaunting herself or embracing her curves? 😉

The bot thing comes up repeatedly from Labour / left though. It’s just a way to try and drive non Labour off the site. It’s better that people don’t just hear all the same political viewpoint.

I find it really depressing how radicalised and far left it is, but you do you.

Thanks for bumping my comment though, it was hidden pages back :)

I read the Times, NYT, and I’ll dip into the the Guardian and Mail. You sound like you’ll only accept proscribed views deemed acceptable? But anti trans? To me, the pro women’s rights stance is Marxist feminist rather than the free wheeling individualism that is pro capitalism and pushes lifelong medication and expensive surgeries.

I love how the Mail is condemned for it's right wing views but the Guardian is considered acceptable, presumably because it represents an acceptable bias to the left,

Another lefty Guardian reading gender critical here: certainly not ‘anti trans’.
I believe in my right to be defined by sex not gender, for women’s rights to be defined by sex not gender. And for the right of trans people to live their lives free from harassment… as trans people.

But alongside inclusive spaces, open to all, there will also be sex specific spaces. And, should they wish then, gender specific spaces. And I would not dream of trying to insist on my right to join a support group for Transwomen.

I think a more accurate comparison is the Telegraph and the Guardian. Different political perspectives but both reputable journalism.

The Mail prints shocking misinformation, deliberately tries to jump on bandwagons and get people worked up. It would be despicable whatever its politics.

I read the Morning Star.

I just feel depressed that so many people you encounter are happy to categorise you by the paper the imagine you read. And then arrogantly dismiss you as a lesser being.

Gender critical thought isn’t right-wing. That’s a straw man used by trans rights activists - that if you care about female-only spaces you must also be a racist.

This site used to be very Guardian-reader but as it got more popular there are now a range of views, including some views which I consider to be racist. But I think the millennial and younger generation is less generous in its political views, probably because of growing up in a long term economic trough.

Does anyone still read newspapers? The only person I know who does is reclusive and ND, and walking to the newsagent every morning.is part of her invariable routine.

Guardian and FT. Hope that meets with your approval.

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We can only hope!

One thing I've noticed on the threads I've read is that the guardian and telegraph seem to get linked a lot when people are using an article from those papers to aid their argument. Very rarely see other newspapers being linked.

All popular newspapers cater to the prejudices of their readers. That's why MN interests me, it's a range of views, many from people I would never meet or know anything about. And it's moderated sufficiently well to exclude the more rabid extremes of the political spectrum.

Probably links are from/to the Grauniad and Torygraph because the G is free to read online, and an annual sub to the DT online can be as cheap as £29 pa. Both offer wide-ranging editorial coverage and can usually be relied on for the basic facts. The editorial spin is a matter of preference.

Yabvu

I haven't seen much racist ot flagwaving stuff here. What there has been is mostly deliberately goadiness which gets overwhelmingly refuted. There are a vast number of mumsnetters who are neurodiverse themselves or have neurodiverse children, you can't have been here much if you haven't spotted that. People here generally aren't "anti trans" but are robust in pointing out where a proposed additional adjustment intended for the benefit of trans people will have a severe and detrimental effect on female people and if you think that's the same as being "anti trans" then you are "anti women".

I generally read the bbc news and the guardian, but I know there are some topics those news sources prefer not to cover so I will follow links from mumsnet threads to specific articles in the times or telegraph if it's a story I can't find elsewhere (usually because the guardian doesn't want to admit it happened, or has an article so biased it is difficult to discern what they are trying to avoid saying) - I find that using a variety of news sources is beneficial as all media organisations have an agenda. I wouldn't read the Mail if you paid me though.