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Now the Australians are protesting

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MiddleAgedMusings · 08/09/2025 23:17

Their main target is Indians.
Indians. Who have come legally - not on boats - but on aeroplanes, with the correct visas, who are students seeking further education in order to train as doctors, nurses, or whatever so that they can give back to Australia - Or they are already trained in a profession that the government has outlined has a shortage.

Australia is absolutely solid to get into with specific qualifications or experience being a mandatory requirement and the financial means to support one self. The whole western world constantly puts Australia on a pedestal for not being a soft touch for immigration. How are these protesters questioning the value of this diaspora's contribution to the Australian economy, and how can anybody deny that it's pure racism?

Australia doesn't have a problem luring white British nurses and doctors to their shores with generous repatriation packages, but an Indian nurse or doctor aren't good enough. Australians don't have a problem with their white teenagers or graduates emigrating to western countries for 10 years before fucking off back to Australia when it's time to settle down, but god forbid anybody does it the other way

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/sep/05/melbourne-immigration-migrated-indians-targeted-racist-messaging-asking-why-ntwnfbArticle
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'Is this the same Melbourne I migrated to?' Indians targeted by racist messaging are asking why them

Shock and concern as ‘peace-loving and law-abiding’ community subjected to ‘hateful behaviour’

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/sep/05/melbourne-immigration-migrated-indians-targeted-racist-messaging-asking-why-ntwnfb

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AlertLimeZebra · 09/09/2025 12:16

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Starlia · 09/09/2025 12:17

Eloeeze · 09/09/2025 12:15

Where do I go to get repaid because my mum had to crouch under the table as a tiny kid while bombs were being dropped all around her by the Germans? Shall I rock up to Berlin and give them a big guilt trip.

Reparations between Germans and the British are up to you. That doesn’t absolve your country of the guilt you bear for colonisation.

Starlia · 09/09/2025 12:18

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You claimed it first. No guilt, no personal responsibility. So tell me where you came from.

AlertLimeZebra · 09/09/2025 12:18

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Elbowpatch · 09/09/2025 12:18

MooseLooseAboutTheHoose · 09/09/2025 11:58

I’d love to see a source for that ridiculous claim of £60m in famine relief.

Robert Peel imported cheap Indian maize and corn that he SOLD, albeit below market price, to the poor and starving Irish, in an apparent effort to curb the starvation. Starvation caused by his government.

There were soup kitchens set up at one stage in 1846 or 1847, for all of about 6 months… the ‘famine’ lasted for nearly 7 years!

The Queen donated a couple thousand pounds of her own enormous wealth, and organised an half hearted, lacklustre call for relief funds that netted about £150k if I recall. No doubt that was purely done as another piece of propaganda to try and demonstrate to the outside world that genocide wasn’t happening in Ireland, when it clearly was.

The ‘efforts’ made by the British to relieve the Irish of the famine THEY caused, are no different to the US and Israeli funded GHF in present day. Pitiful, contrived and completely inadequate.

Where are you getting your figure of £60m???

Humanitarianism In The Modern World. Cambridge University Press. 2020. ISBN 978-1108655903

The 60 million is £525,000 adjusted for inflation. Just rechecked and depending on which inflation calculator I use it varies between 55 and 60 million. Still a substantial sum.

Queen Victoria donated £2000. The equivalent of around £210,000 today.

AlertLimeZebra · 09/09/2025 12:19

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Starlia · 09/09/2025 12:19

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Lightbulb moment! Neither are we.

Francestein · 09/09/2025 12:19

In 1973 the Nationality and Citizenship act was renamed the Australian Citizenship Act, but Australia continued to issue British passports and only stopped recognizing Australian citizens as British subjects in 1984. I remember my uncle making the decision to keep his British citizenship as he was a pilot and it made international employment easier for him.

nomas · 09/09/2025 12:20

Rosscameasdoody · 09/09/2025 11:56

The British were also instrumental in ending slavery. What reparations would you like to see, given that there is no one left alive who was involved in the slave trade ?

The British ended slavery because it wasn’t as profitable anymore and because of the massive revolts in places like Jamaica.

So please don’t pretend Britain ended slavery for moral reasons.

Britain is what it is due to the blood, sweat and tears of slavery and colonial rule and people need to remember that.

Starlia · 09/09/2025 12:20

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Please elaborate on my lie. Your delusions are getting the better of you.

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 12:20

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Yes I'm wondering too re that poster and the question, beyond their anger and insults.

AlertLimeZebra · 09/09/2025 12:20

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Lyregorse · 09/09/2025 12:21

SlieveMiskish · 08/09/2025 23:25

If you want a real laugh, they’re also flying flags at half mast over immigration in Ireland. I mean we Irish people have been emigrating since God knows when. I think the statistic in England is that up to 25% of British people have an Irish ancestry. And as for the Irish Americans, I don’t know how we got them.🙈 We are in Australia too! the Worlds gone daft.

I don’t know the correct figures for those with Irish ancestry in GB, but I think people forget that Ireland was part of the UK when many Irish people moved there, after the Famine for example. So it was more akin to someone moving from Scotland to London in that sense. The island of Ireland was part of the UK from 1801 to 1922.

Cantheowneroftheredcorsapleasemovetheircar · 09/09/2025 12:21

I was shocked by the casual racism that appeared to be everywhere in Australia when I visited in 2015. Particularly toward the aboriginals.

It was the one thing I really didn't like about the country and culture.

So sadly, this doesn't surprise me.

nomas · 09/09/2025 12:22

Eloeeze · 09/09/2025 12:15

Where do I go to get repaid because my mum had to crouch under the table as a tiny kid while bombs were being dropped all around her by the Germans? Shall I rock up to Berlin and give them a big guilt trip.

That was war between two nations, hardly the same as slavery.

MooseLooseAboutTheHoose · 09/09/2025 12:24

cumbriaisbest · 09/09/2025 12:10

It's utter madness. Let's face it, it's about colour.

If you’re talking about the current unrest in Ireland, I genuinely don’t think it’s predominantly about colour. Obviously there are racists in Ireland that will hate anyone with differing colour, religion etc. But I come from a centre left/ left leaning background and social circle and the unhappiness with the level of immigration and asylum seekers has been steadily growing for the last few years. Many have now swung to the right. We don’t have the housing and infrastructure for all of these new people. We have 16k+ of our own homeless and we’re spending millions and millions housing people who may or may not have the right to be here. There are a lot of those who are given or hold the right to be here that do not work and depend on the benefits system. It’s just completely unsustainable.

It’s further exacerbated by the fact that people cannot afford to buy or rent homes, and even if they could they’re not available. Their children are emigrating because they cant buy a house and see no future prospects. People can’t afford their utilities but any support on that front is set to be cut in the upcoming budget. They are struggling to get doctors and dentist appointments because the clinics are overwhelmed. Children are dying on hospital waiting lists because we don’t have the necessary health service and investment in health care. They are struggling to get school places because they’re overwhelmed. The list goes on.

There is so much wrong in the country at the moment and I can completely understand why people are so aggrieved at the level of immigration and asylum applications.

Sure, not all of those problem are related to immigration and asylum seekers, but if we curtailed the level of people coming in it would obviously help with housing, infrastructure and budgetary issues. We are spending over €1.5billion on asylum seeker accommodation alone every year and that figure is steadily increasing. It’s not sustainable, it’s not about race, and I totally understand why people are upset and pissed off.

Cantheowneroftheredcorsapleasemovetheircar · 09/09/2025 12:25

Eloeeze · 09/09/2025 12:15

Where do I go to get repaid because my mum had to crouch under the table as a tiny kid while bombs were being dropped all around her by the Germans? Shall I rock up to Berlin and give them a big guilt trip.

Did you not learn about the potsdam conference in school?

Germany had to pay reparations after losing WW2, to the allied nations and to holocaust victims.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 09/09/2025 12:26

It is a problem in Ireland too.
Especially around housing prices, the Indian community are buying a lot of properties, the prices are rising, people are being out-bid, they're looking for someone to blame.
3 homes on my street were bought by Indian families, they're lovely neighbours.
My sister moved into a new build estate, the majority of her neighbours are working professional Indian families.
Racist attacks have increased against the Indian community by thugs, thankfully the decent Irish people are standing against the bullying.
It's sickening.

Eloeeze · 09/09/2025 12:27

Starlia · 09/09/2025 12:17

Reparations between Germans and the British are up to you. That doesn’t absolve your country of the guilt you bear for colonisation.

So you are invested in creating Guilt. Who are you? If you are standing with a pointed finger of Entitled Reproach, let’s see who you are, and please give all your data that renders you Entitled to dish out historical blame onto ordinary people.

where is the Department for Blaming and Reproach that you are the head of?

or are you a just a misguided self important person puffing themselves up with resentment baggage of past times.

JHound · 09/09/2025 12:29

StarlightRobot · 09/09/2025 12:05

Very odd that many posters are blaming racism in Australia on British heritage. The ‘White Australia Policy’ was official policy until the 1970s, supported by the Australian electorate.

The UK has had its issues with racism like many other countries, but having travelled extensively and now lived in the UK for almost 20 years I think it’s far less racist than many other countries. Ignorance does exist everywhere.

And as for the apparent legacy of British racism, which country was a world leader in the abolition of the slave trade?

And as for the apparent legacy of British racism, which country was a world leader in the abolition of the slave trade?

Not this Canard…yes yes the British (through the blockade of Africa, and the Africa Squadroon) were at the forefront of the fight to abolish slavery globally. And yes the Royal Navy was at the forefront of that with the nation spending 1% of GDP on that fight….

But

This was after spending centuries being enthusiastic slavers, trafficking 3-3.5 MILLION enslaved Africans to be worked to death on plantations throughout the Americas (second only in number to the Portuguese who commenced a century before.) Many of the enslaved died while being trafficked (or were deliberately mass murdered such as on the Zong) died in “Seasoning Camps”, or died after a short period on the Sugar plantations which were so barbaric and the death rates so high, they required a constant supply of newly enslaved Africans given mortality exceeded birth rates by 3% per annum. And those who did manage to survive were ethnically cleansed, denied even their names.

And the Royal Navy while the heroes of the post slavery abolition and emancipation eras was key in securing those slave routes for British slave ships.

And that’s without mentioning that modern day anti-black racism (including medical racism) is rooted in the myths created by the pro-slavery camp.

So yes we should celebrate abolition in 1807 (though emancipation took another 25 years), celebrate the work done by men such as Sharp, Wilberforce and Clarkson as well as recognising the Quakers for always being on the right
side of history on the topic of slavery.

But in recognising that let’s not downplay / whitewash Britain’s role before that yeah.

VoulezVouz · 09/09/2025 12:30

botheredandbewilderedagain · 09/09/2025 12:11

So is it the British still doing it now?

What about when 9 million Australians voted against giving the indigenous population a voice in Parliament two years ago?

womensagenda.com.au/latest/one-year-on-indigenous-communities-reflect-on-the-failed-voice-to-parliament-referendum/

Ah, now that’s another story and thread. In short, my theory is this: social media, wilful misinformation by the other side, and a bloc of older Australians who are easy prey to that misinformation.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 09/09/2025 12:30

@MooseLooseAboutTheHoose well said.
I'm saving for private dental care, 2 DC with SN, teeth grind, not a hse or hospital appointment in sight.
They need sedation.

AlertLimeZebra · 09/09/2025 12:30

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EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 12:32

Eloeeze · 09/09/2025 12:27

So you are invested in creating Guilt. Who are you? If you are standing with a pointed finger of Entitled Reproach, let’s see who you are, and please give all your data that renders you Entitled to dish out historical blame onto ordinary people.

where is the Department for Blaming and Reproach that you are the head of?

or are you a just a misguided self important person puffing themselves up with resentment baggage of past times.

Yep this.

Fluffyblackcat7 · 09/09/2025 12:33

HoppingPavlova · 09/09/2025 00:03

Australian here, who has close friends who are many different nationalities by birth (including Indian, Chinese) but are Australian, and I fully expect likely all my kids will partner and marry ‘non-white’ Australians, which is absolutely fine.

I’m not protesting but I think you are confused about what is being protested about. It’s not about not wanting non-white people in Australia at all, it’s not about not wanting Indian doctors and nurses in Australia, it’s about not wanting white Australians to be made second class citizens under non-white Australians which is where white Australians now see Australia going.

Here are some personal examples:

Some of my kids were looking to purchase a place, and DH and/or I would go with them to viewings (so experienced this first hand), around a third of places viewed the real estate agent straight up said they refused to sell to them as they were not Indian. They said we didn’t understand but the suburbs we were looking in were only for Indians so they would only sell to Indians. Refused to take offers. One literally threatened us when I joked and said I should get an Indian friend to come to viewings and make offers, indicated lives would be in danger if a white Australian purchased.

In other suburbs kids were looking at, many new build unit blocks. All brochures and sales were in Chinese only for that suburb and the minute you tried to talk to a sales rep ‘No English, Chinese only’ (said in English). All of this nonsense about white Australians not being able to live in certain suburbs means being pushed back from the CBD’s with longer commutes in.

With the place some of my kids ended up in, the Strata committee for the building are trying to hold meetings in a non-English language only. Kids are happy for it to be held in both languages given the majority of residents are native speakers of another language, but that’s not good enough, the committee don’t want English used at all, which means my kids can’t attend meetings or vote.

I was recently refused service at another nationalities restaurant. Went there with friends of that nationality. We sat down, restaurant made it clear to my friends that they didn’t serve white-Australians and didn’t want them in the restaurant. It’s a large restaurant in a CBD suburb. Friends were mortified, had a huge fight with restaurant and we left as they were not going to budge.

None of this is new per se, when my adult kids were at school, there was usually less than 5% white Australian kids there. That was the demographic of the areas we lived in as our preference was to live close to my work (major city hospitals) rather than out in the ‘white’ beach suburbs. The kids at school were fine but many of the parents would tell their kids not to associate with white Australians as they were ‘stupidly and lazy, and will make you get bad grades’ because I guess somehow you catch that??? Not all, I’ve got some great non-white Australian parents who became great friends, but it was the majority. My great hope was those parents would see first hand this was not true and that would stamp this nonsense out but it’s just gone further and further over the years.

That’s the basis of the current protests. Yes, it is about racism I guess, but it’s that white Australians are now sick and tired of the racism being directed at them and that they are being pushed out, and just want the current environment rolled back to an even footing.

Wow! Are there no equality laws that can be brought to bear in these instances?

I can't see how that would be tolerated in the UK as race is a protected feature under equality law.

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