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PIP Fraud- now even the DWP staff themselves are it!

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TempNameForObviousReasons · 07/09/2025 17:34

Clifford Redman, 57, claimed he had severe mobility issues and needed daily help - but he was caught out after being filmed going to the gym and on long walks https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2105390/dwp-fraudster-claimed-19k-caught-gym

Tip of the iceberg, serious reform needed.

DWP fraudster 'with mobility issues' caught in gym after claiming £19k

Clifford Redman, 57, claimed he had severe mobility issues and needed daily help - but he was caught out after being filmed going to the gym and on long walks

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2105390/dwp-fraudster-claimed-19k-caught-gym

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Dontcallmescarface · 08/09/2025 00:09

Labradorlover987 · 07/09/2025 23:46

But she’s not at any particular loss - most people don’t use public transport - where I live there are no buses and the trains would be more expensive than driving so how is it affecting her negatively? Are you suggesting just because someone might be disabled they should get x amount of money from the state and then spend it on whatever they like?

Presumably you understand how a bus timetable and connections work and can comprehend that if you need to get from A-B by public transport then you need to get the number 52, get off and x stop and then catch the number 22 and get off at y stop. Now imagine not being able to do that because the whole idea of it is beyond your understanding. You do know, however that if you drive for a few miles, turn right drive on a bit more that will get you to where you need to be. The downside of that is you have to pay the petrol, parking charges etc, which is a lot higher than the price of a bus journey but you have no choice. It doesn't matter if you live in the arse end of nowhere or on the busiest bus route in the country, there is only 1 way you can go anywhere because your disability prevents you from using any other transport. That's what the £ is for. Or do you expect that person to just not go any where?

MickGeorge22 · 08/09/2025 00:17

PreciousLittleLifeForms · 08/09/2025 00:08

What do you think should happen?
Cos when asked most people say money should just be cut.

They need to stop giving £750 + every four weeks to people with anxiety for a start. Honestly just makes people dependent on the money. There should be conditions that it's spent on therapy that will help the person. It's getting beyond a joke.

PreciousLittleLifeForms · 08/09/2025 00:19

MickGeorge22 · 08/09/2025 00:17

They need to stop giving £750 + every four weeks to people with anxiety for a start. Honestly just makes people dependent on the money. There should be conditions that it's spent on therapy that will help the person. It's getting beyond a joke.

£750 is the max you can get on PIP and no one with just anxiety will be getting that seeing as some if it is for physical disabilities.
Try harder.

MickGeorge22 · 08/09/2025 00:20

PreciousLittleLifeForms · 08/09/2025 00:19

£750 is the max you can get on PIP and no one with just anxiety will be getting that seeing as some if it is for physical disabilities.
Try harder.

Well that's funny because I'm seeing plenty of people on these top rates.

MickGeorge22 · 08/09/2025 00:20

PreciousLittleLifeForms · 08/09/2025 00:19

£750 is the max you can get on PIP and no one with just anxiety will be getting that seeing as some if it is for physical disabilities.
Try harder.

It is perfectly possible to get top rate mobility for saying you don't leave the house and can't do a journey by yourself !

PreciousLittleLifeForms · 08/09/2025 00:22

MickGeorge22 · 08/09/2025 00:20

Well that's funny because I'm seeing plenty of people on these top rates.

How do you know these people? Why are they sharing all their financial info with you?
I smell something

MickGeorge22 · 08/09/2025 00:24

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NIce. Idiot?
Look in a mirror

Everlore · 08/09/2025 01:19

It is very depressing to see yet another predictable disabled benefits-bashing thread on here, rife with posters opining on a subject about which they obviously know so little.
As I always say on these threads, I'm always surprised by the apparent willingness of the, I'm sure not at all imaginary, benefit fraudsters who so many posters on this thread definitely know, to share full and minute details of their benefit fraud with these nosy and judgemental busybodies. Their desire to be so trustingly garrulous about their alleged deliberate law-breaking to any nosy parker that asks is quite unexpected. The dreadful cynic in me might wonder whether these posters reporting on the dozens of, completely existent, gleefully blatant and absolutely not fabricated fraudsters really are privy to every detail of their PIP application and award process or whether these curtain-twitchers are just spying on their neighbours putting the bins out while supposedly claiming PIP and deciding this definitely means they're big liars who definitely have no physical or health issues.
I see other posters have had to put others right about PIP not being a means-tested or out of work benefit so I don't have to retread that particular boring old furrow.
However, I did wish to address some remarks to the posters demanding to know what legitimate costs disabled people could really have that aren't/couldn't be covered by the NHS and which PIP pays for.
While I think it's ridiculous to ask every disabled person to account for all the extra costs of their disability with which PIP helps as we already have enough life admin due to our disabilities, but I am happy to discuss my own situation if it might help some of the posters on this thread who have been privileged enough not to have to navigate the world with a disability and who also seemingly lack the imagination or empathy to fathom what it might be like to do so.
I have been completely blind since birth and also have restricted movement in multiple joints due to developing severe juvenile rheumatoid arthritis as an infant. I work, but I am able to do so thanks to a very understanding employer who has been willing to put in the money, time and resources to make the job accessible to me and thanks to the technologies and extra support which PIP allows me to pay for which allows me to actually get to work and maintain myself at home. The NHS is not going to pay for the adaptive technology which allows me to use my computer and phone, equipment around the flat which allows me to manage in the kitchen, bathroom, etc., extra support I need to carry out daily tasks which often, even with the wonderful technology we have now, are difficult or impossible without sight, support with caring for my baby and getting to appointments, shopping, handling post and a myriad of other things which sighted people will take for granted. None of this comes under the heading of healthcare so I don't know why anyone would expect the NHS to pay for it.
I hope this will help broaden the horizons of some posters on this very thread who don't seem to be able to fathom that adaptations for disabled people might encompass anything beyond wheelchairs and hoists.

TempNameForObviousReasons · 08/09/2025 01:31

PreciousLittleLifeForms · 07/09/2025 22:37

But that is her only choice. She does not have a choice. People that are not disabled do have a choice.

Who cares if she has a choice?
So she can't get a bus (not because she physically can't, but because of poor timekeeping and getting on the wrong bus, haha sure) 🙄
We ALL have travel costs.
Hers happens to be driving, why should she get help towards this, if she couldn't use public transport and was also unable to drive herself then yes, this would be different, but she is literally able to transport herself around the same as everyone else!

This is yet another example of how ludicrous the whole disabled benefits system is nowadays and proves yet again how desperately it needs reform!

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PreciousLittleLifeForms · 08/09/2025 01:34

TempNameForObviousReasons · 08/09/2025 01:31

Who cares if she has a choice?
So she can't get a bus (not because she physically can't, but because of poor timekeeping and getting on the wrong bus, haha sure) 🙄
We ALL have travel costs.
Hers happens to be driving, why should she get help towards this, if she couldn't use public transport and was also unable to drive herself then yes, this would be different, but she is literally able to transport herself around the same as everyone else!

This is yet another example of how ludicrous the whole disabled benefits system is nowadays and proves yet again how desperately it needs reform!

You are only temporarily able bodied. Remember that

Labradorlover987 · 08/09/2025 01:35

Dontcallmescarface · 08/09/2025 00:09

Presumably you understand how a bus timetable and connections work and can comprehend that if you need to get from A-B by public transport then you need to get the number 52, get off and x stop and then catch the number 22 and get off at y stop. Now imagine not being able to do that because the whole idea of it is beyond your understanding. You do know, however that if you drive for a few miles, turn right drive on a bit more that will get you to where you need to be. The downside of that is you have to pay the petrol, parking charges etc, which is a lot higher than the price of a bus journey but you have no choice. It doesn't matter if you live in the arse end of nowhere or on the busiest bus route in the country, there is only 1 way you can go anywhere because your disability prevents you from using any other transport. That's what the £ is for. Or do you expect that person to just not go any where?

Oh come off it 😂

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OwlBeThere · 08/09/2025 04:45

Mademetoxic · 07/09/2025 19:46

I do that by working my arse off.

That’s nice. Let me cut YOUR leg off and you can see how easy that is.

K0OLA1D · 08/09/2025 05:43

How refreshing to see this go as predictably as all the other washings threads

I'd swap places with any of you. Take my PIP.

Assssofspades · 08/09/2025 06:02

Mrsmunchofmunchington · 07/09/2025 17:49

”Even”???
Attempting to demonise disabled people with the use of one case about a fraudster.

Check out the actual fraud figures for PIP.
Less than 1%.

You are assuming that everyone who commits benefit fraud is caught, we can safely conclude that the percentage of fraudulent claims is more than 1%

Laundrywitch · 08/09/2025 06:04

The problem is that people who have no intention of being productive members of society are increasing and that means the consequences of any benefit fraud and any crime will not impact their lives.

It’s the generations and generations of the same family who claim benefits or commit crime that is the most worrying.

Working doesn’t pay anymore so what’s the point anyway?

As soon as me and DH retired I jokingly said to my DH we can just join the rest of the shoplifters now as we won’t ever need a reference again but DH reminded me we want to move abroad so can’t have a criminal record 😂

x2boys · 08/09/2025 06:07

MickGeorge22 · 08/09/2025 00:17

They need to stop giving £750 + every four weeks to people with anxiety for a start. Honestly just makes people dependent on the money. There should be conditions that it's spent on therapy that will help the person. It's getting beyond a joke.

They don't 🙄🙄🙄

Wherehaveallthegoodmengone · 08/09/2025 06:13

Labradorlover987 · 07/09/2025 22:33

But she can drive and has a car - so she is the same position as pretty much everyone else

Agree with this actually. And if said claimant cannot use public transport because she “impulsively” gets on wrong buses and doesn’t know how long journeys take, why would her driving make a difference? You get on a bus. Get off at your stop. If you are driving, you have far more opportunity to “impulsively” go the wrong way? Plus, if her decision making is so impacted by her condition, should she be driving at all??
Finally, I can’t use public transport either. But that’s because there is literally zero where I live 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

ColinOfficeTrolley · 08/09/2025 06:17

And this is what is wrong with society. Millionaires telling us plebs that our next door neighbours are ripping us off. Divide and conquer. Which is working. Especially for the flag shagging idiots.

All the while, they're ripping the country off, avoiding millions in tax, giving their mates £££££ contracts, whilst telling you that Fred next door, getting a few hundred a month in PIP, is your sworn enemy.

Amazed at the thicko's who fall for this.

Wherehaveallthegoodmengone · 08/09/2025 06:27

ColinOfficeTrolley · 08/09/2025 06:17

And this is what is wrong with society. Millionaires telling us plebs that our next door neighbours are ripping us off. Divide and conquer. Which is working. Especially for the flag shagging idiots.

All the while, they're ripping the country off, avoiding millions in tax, giving their mates £££££ contracts, whilst telling you that Fred next door, getting a few hundred a month in PIP, is your sworn enemy.

Amazed at the thicko's who fall for this.

No, like I said up thread, I pay the same massive amount of tax, no matter how it is spent. What pisses me off is people claiming it fraudulently which means people who genuinely need it do not get anywhere near enough. I have two relatives that struggle massively with huge medical needs and they get a bloody pittance. That shouldn’t happen. And, if we all know businesses who we know are illegally evading tax, bloody report them. That shouldn’t happen either.

x2boys · 08/09/2025 06:29

MickGeorge22 · 08/09/2025 00:20

It is perfectly possible to get top rate mobility for saying you don't leave the house and can't do a journey by yourself !

It really isn't you need proof my son gets top rates we have a mobility car for him
He can walk ,run ,jump etc however he's severely autistic with severe learning disabilities, he will always need 1:1 support
He can't take a bus by himself becsuse he can't talk at all and can only communicate on a very basic level, his behaviour is very extreme and he screams loudly and frequently so getting a bus isn't ideal
He won't ever be able to drive so my dh ,is the named driver
It's laughable posters think people are getting top rates for being mildly anxious.

x2boys · 08/09/2025 06:34

Wherehaveallthegoodmengone · 08/09/2025 06:27

No, like I said up thread, I pay the same massive amount of tax, no matter how it is spent. What pisses me off is people claiming it fraudulently which means people who genuinely need it do not get anywhere near enough. I have two relatives that struggle massively with huge medical needs and they get a bloody pittance. That shouldn’t happen. And, if we all know businesses who we know are illegally evading tax, bloody report them. That shouldn’t happen either.

PIP is very specific it's about wether you can independently care for yourself cook ,clean etc and can get from A to B independently if your relatives are able to do that then they won't be entitled to PIP despite their medical needs if they can't then they should appeal.

Wherehaveallthegoodmengone · 08/09/2025 06:44

x2boys · 08/09/2025 06:34

PIP is very specific it's about wether you can independently care for yourself cook ,clean etc and can get from A to B independently if your relatives are able to do that then they won't be entitled to PIP despite their medical needs if they can't then they should appeal.

They can not do any of that. Both are none verbal, unable to cook, dress or keep themselves clean. Adults now, still in the care of increasingly aging and unwell parents, who have to fight tooth and nail for every penny. And what they get doesn’t cover a third of what they need. We help, of course but it really does make me cross that people fraudulently benefit whilst others massively struggle.

x2boys · 08/09/2025 07:24

Wherehaveallthegoodmengone · 08/09/2025 06:44

They can not do any of that. Both are none verbal, unable to cook, dress or keep themselves clean. Adults now, still in the care of increasingly aging and unwell parents, who have to fight tooth and nail for every penny. And what they get doesn’t cover a third of what they need. We help, of course but it really does make me cross that people fraudulently benefit whilst others massively struggle.

But that doesn't make sense you say there parents have to fight for every penny despite significant needs and I can understand that having a non verbal teen myself
But how do you think others are able to easily fraud the system?

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