Angela Rayner tax fail

[Iwishicouldflyhigh]

But it’s ok because she was just badly advised.
I’ll remember that excuse next time I fill in my tax return.

But still confused about one can have 2 main homes?

My point as you well know is that damages are limited and not a bonus.

Not everyone here is a lawyer and so you’re being deliberately misleading in order to imply that there was some sort of ‘win’ after this incredibly traumatic event, with all its consequences. Purely for some small minded political attack rather looking at the bigger picture with an unbiased mind.

Hence my revulsion.

I tried to ask her a question and she just told me to ‘desist’ 😂

Oh who cares. The PP is just trying to make an unnecessarily fuss about an unbelievably minor issue of use of commonly used words describing the same thing to sidetrack the thread. Ridiculous and irrelevant.

An absolutely key point.

How on earth could a UK based lawyer not have encountered the term damages?!

I like wasting people's time as much as the next person on spurious irrelevant points on a thread, as do you clearly.

The Telegraph headline is either true or they will be sued to infinity.

There is no spin. Did she use the compensation to allow her to buy the property in Hove which is nowhere near where her son is based.

That is all.

The headlines seem to not use that and googling says either can be used.

I think she did use the compensation pay out damages from the trust fund to buy Hove but it wasn't just given to her for free as it was used to buy her 25% share of equity in the house. So the trust now owns 75% of the house and her ex husband owns 25%.

Yes. I read it like this but the electorate I suspect won’t. She didn’t need to employ an estate agent, keep the house always tidy and negotiate a good price.

It was as though she was the buyer and seller and that’s what i think will stick in the craw of the public.

Of course the current headlines won’t use that term.

In a clinical negligence case of this gravity and especially involving a child the language used by the previous poster is utterly inappropriate.

In purely financial situations it may be acceptable.

Not here, which is why I called her out on it. She claims expertise so has used the language quite intentionally to portray the mother in a certain way.

I don’t find that minor.

For f*cks sake, I am a Tory, and I can't find Angela Rayner guilty of anything worse than attempting to move on with her life AND trying to make sure her SEND child's interests are secure. This is a witch hunt and I want no part of it.

I have always said the left is the worse. They always behave like hypocrites. Doing what they preach others should not be doing. How many of us have friends who are in the case of taxing the rich? Only to go great lengths to avoid tax themselves. She is one of those and hopefully gets the sack over it.

Lucky you. My council tax went up by a huge amount this year. My daughter wants to buy a house and they have raised stamp duty. There are fewer jobs due to the National Insurance Increase. Capital Gains now kicks in at 3000, another tax grab. Tax thresholds continue to be frozen. Cost of living is rising rapidly. And if you don’t believe we are going to be hammered in the next budget, you are a doughnut.

She’s admitted she owes £40k tax. Unlikely to be due to advice.

Why would headlines be exempt from this grave error? And if they are then the public can use it too.

What a massive hypocrites, like many other Labour politicians. She should resign. If a Tory MP had done this Labour would have hounded them until they went. As she says she does not have a home in her constituency then time for a by-election to choose someone who actually lives there?

There will be an inquiry.

There is some discussion about what she told her lawyers about the Trust fund she wanted to set up, or had set up, and the timing of that.

It's very complicated because you can put your house into a trust fund for your children, and not own it, but it can still be seen as relevant to where you live.

What is odd is that her position was very vulnerable so whoever was doing the legal stuff either cocked up or didn't have the right info in the first place.

I don't think you did "call me out." on it. Whatever that means. Im not 12 so dont use that terminology.

It's quite a new idea that an MP should have a home in the constituency, surprisingly. Probably less than 25 years.

My plan: sort out a massively simplified tax code without any workarounds for exploitation or loopholes at around 27%, that allows everyone to pay tax on their income annually and any assets every decade from £1 of earnings. Plus VAT to capture a % of spending. Obviously, this is rudimentary but ruthlessly fair.

If she was in other front bench position I would frown at this and think they should've know better.
As housing secretary her position is unsustainable, if she can't get her affairs in order how the hell do they expect everyone else to. On top of that she would've been the first to cry blue murder if this would've happened with the conservatives.

Just go

If "moving on with her life" means (contrary to every principle she has claimed she has ever stood for before) changing the designation of her primary residence according to the tax benefits at any given time and sometimes having two primary residences at once which the rest of us would have trouble justifying to HMRC then we should all have a go at moving on!.

As far as I'm concerned, you were 100% called out for deliberately manipulating language when you (claim that you have expertise which means that you) should have known better.

I'll accept your climbdown however.

In future maybe use 'compensation' - or worse, 'payout' - only when money can actually compensate (purely financial claims) and not in a situation like this, when a previous poster with personal experience has taken the trouble to explain how incredibly difficult these situations are on an raw, emotional level.

Honestly, HMRC are so bad at running tax collection at the moment, and so overstretched that if they managed to catch one fraud in 500, I would be astonished.

I don't think you are genuine in your posting I'm afraid.

Who has made you the boss of MN. It’s not up to you to call anyone out especially as the terminology they used is in day to day life.

The situation is getting worse for her. I don’t think anyone is hounding her out. She needs to be ultra clean especially around her tax affairs and being Housing minister means you need to know the rules.

But if she goes the usual suspects will claim she was picked on, for xxx reason.

She has done this to herself.