Vomit inducing rhetoric from ‘Labour’

[OneKookyShark]

Utterly utterly grim 🤮 and trying to out reform Reform and betraying everything Labour stands for at the same time. Not that this shower bear any resemblance to Labour values.

Aibu to think we can’t sink much lower as a country. I will vote for any socially progressive party that shows some vision and compassion.

You're probably lucky & don't live near the munters who do this kind of thing. They don't have anything to say really, they just like to cause mayhem, have a punch up, frighten people. Their lives are truly, utterly meaningless.

If the random wildlife could do my housework I'd come and join you 😁

So why does Ireland also have a huge migrant issue?

On balance i think i agree with this
I have no problem with pride in any flag or the poppy. I cringe at the exploitation of them by reform idiots. And how that must make some immigrants feel. But I think its best to let this populist aspect fade away with the changing seasons
And focus on sensibly but robustly managing immigration
A tightrope indeed

This. My thoughts exactly

My area is smothered in them and they're spreading by the day. My local main road looks like the mall.

@MistressoftheDarkSide I see. I'm aware that things might get said to white people that wouldn't be said to me so I don't have a full picture, perhaps.

I think everyone's having a massively different experience, depending on what's going on in their area

I think another big factor is that nobody feels comfortable discussing it. To be honest, I don't even feel comfortable discussing it on here.

I suppose it's that sense of just not knowing what the hell is going to happen next.

some might say that there are political factions who absolutely thrive on the type of chaos that they have been sowing for years.

My unease is partly related to that thing of "oh look, I'm a pawn in a game I never volunteered to play".

I can't remember when Elon Musk started commenting on it, but that's when I started to feel uncomfortable. And realised I've possibly been conned. Again.

Could I come too, please?

Ha!

I envy you

Here, south coast, we've had graffiti, both red crosses and swastikas, flags being attached to traffic lights and other road furniture regardless of the danger, people being called traitors for saying they dont like them or saying theu are not hanging a flag, protests weekly outside a hotel containing women and children, local fb groups overridden with raise the flags posts and people being booted out of groups for trying to argue the case against it.

Its very depressing - I cant go down my road without seeing it.

Yep the media reflect the mood and even the markets. It’s Labour who are out of step.

That is not what I am saying at all. I certainly don't think the media should be pretending everything is fine and dandy, if that is what you are suggesting.

Eta: it is a shame you felt the need to have a bit of a pop. We might actually be in agreement about some things.

Ah mate, your post is so resonant.

The unease, being pawns / collateral damage, all of that.

Without sounding trite, I just want peace and safety and a fair crack of the whip for everyone, which is of course embarrassingly naive for a 56 year old apparently.

I think the world is insane right now.

I used to joke that the end of the world would be by collective nervous breakdown; and I was supposed to be named Cassandra but my Mum had a last minute change of heart. I'm wondering if she was onto something.

But of course there are plenty of people who also want peace etc. It's just hard to find them sometimes, and I think PPs are right, the press / media thrives on controversy and division. Parsing out accurate information is harder by the day.

Shouldn't have left the EU. Successive governments (of all colours) have failed to address health, education, housing. Indeed, Thatcher started the rot (people thought it would make them better off 😀) & since then every government has winged it on short term policies with no thought for the future. A good example of that is Social Care. It's been blindingly obvious for decades that, unattended, it would become a crisis.
As for asylum seekers: globally, this not going to go away. Climate change & all the nasties that go with it is increasing the numbers trying to get to Europe (wars, famine). Ideally, the world would try to solve it but, as the world seems to be at each others' throats almost continuously, it doesn't look like consensus is happening any time soon. Why should we not do our share of helping those who cannot go home?
We're so complacent & lacking in empathy for our fellow humans.

Yes, Labour is completely out of step with many of its supporters. Or former supporters.

There’s loads of flags in areas I’ve driven through this past week.

and Red Cross graffiti.

I just ignore and carry on with my day. My feeling is that these people want a reaction and create division so I refuse to engage.

although it does appear those in the city flying the flag aren’t that bright as the protest they are age at asylum accomodation last week was actually student university accommodation 🤦🏼‍♀️😂

Agree

He really should've gone left imo, although lots will disagree

I wouldve done a huge campaign showing money being put into the NHS, money being put into dentistry, council homes being built and ex council homes being bought back

Yes its spending but that's whats needed now, and is needed to hold off reform

Reform fall apart on economic policy, people don't seem to know that they are small government 🙄

Agree. I’m very centric but have left leaning values and I’m finding this shift is going too far right for me.

They need to stop chasing the Tory’s who defected to reform and get their core voters back on side.

Im not particularly a Labour voter (historically swing) but they won’t get my vote if they follow the Tory’s and Reform that way —————->

Apologies, yes I don’t like the flag (any flag) being amended/edited/defaced/‘reinforced’ in this way.

Before we left the EU, asylum seekers had to claim asylum in the first EU country they entered. Now we are outside of the EU, each claim has to be assessed and then negotiated with neighbouring countries if we don't deem the claim sufficient. It’s now much harder to return any asylum seeker who chooses the UK.
Brexit Benefits 🙄

Cooper and Starmer have gone from ‘refugees welcome’ to industrial warehouses and stopping women and children claiming. If Labour voters feel shafted it’s because they have been.

Can you say why Germany, ROI and others in EU still have the same issues as we do with asylum?

Cooper and Starmer have gone from ‘refugees welcome’ to industrial warehouses and stopping women and children claiming

Yes. And it is disgusting. And I do feel "shafted" right now, and politically homeless.

You see. I agree. The narrative that the MN "Labour lot" are intellectually challenged sheep is wrong, even though some posters like to claim it is true.

@MistressoftheDarkSide "Parsing out accurate information is harder by the day."

yes! And not just from external sources

A local man was attacked while putting up a flag. I don't know what to make of him. I have a strong sense of unease about him. I know him from the pub -just to say hi to.

there is CCTV footage....

However, I'm that uncomfortable around this guy that I wouldn't put it past him to have staged the whole thing with some mates.

everyone on the CCTV was wearing a balaclava or face covering of some kind.

I don't understand the world anymore, so I wonder if he's just trying to paint himself as a local hero?

I'm not on Facebook, but apparently he's trying to publicise himself on there quite heavily.

and then I feel bad. Maybe he really was attacked while putting out flags! I just have no idea.

not being able to tell what's real and what's not is so very 1984. And some people thrive in this environment where everything is just nuts. And they laugh about it.

I am not one of them.

sorry @OneKookyShark I have gone totally away from your point

I actually am surprised that Labour addressed anything. I thought their plan was to maintain a stony silence on the whole matter in the hope it would all go away. So I'm merely surprised that they said anything at all.

It's beyond appalling. How on earth they ended up on that place is beyond me..

They have been a shit show since they started. For a socially progressive party to go after the WFA, to try to remove benefits from disabled people. Next in line are kids with SEN who need school support/have EHCPs. These days all they talk about is the anti immigrant agenda. as if this country doesn't have any other problems. Just trying to compete with Nigel.

Labour has no identity, no vision, no nothing anymore. What does the Labour party actually stand for and what sets it apart from the others???

I have been voting Labour all my life. Never again.