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Is The IMF taking Over perhaps just what the country needs

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WaitingInForMyFoodShopping · 01/09/2025 08:55

Ok bear with me. This sounds like an idiotic thing to say because if the IMF are involved it means the country is officially in a mess and the IMF will slash spending and enforce their own budgets and rules. So anyone on benefits might lose them, NHS funding will likely go down, same for the police force etc

It just occurred to me today that the country is in a complete mess and there isn't really any end in sight.

Headlines today - I didn't read the detail but I am just getting more angry, helpless feeling and frustrated and want 'somebody' who has some balls to step in and say enough. Things change from today. Todays headlines are rising taxes, 1/10 high school kids on benefits, families of migrants can claim benefits from day 1 even if they don't speak english.

Now i will caveat this by saying the housing market does need sorted but lets be honest that's not what they are trying to do here - it's just about raising taxes. I also say there is another articles claiming ' a crackdown on bring families into Britain' - something that made me snort with derision giving the whole small boats/protests going on just now.

I mean lets just get to the point. Does ANYONE think RR/KS are able to fix this mess. I know they didn't cause it. I know they have been in office less than a year but if we give them another year are they able to fix it. I personally don't think so. It is going to need someone very tough to brave the mess and take it in hand (Maggie Thatcher where are you now).
So what are we left with - voting Reform - which I have joked about doing but i don't actually think that is the way to go. That's borne out of desperation. So who is going to fix it then.

AIBU to think a complete reset, painful as it will be by the IMF is just what the country needs?

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EasternStandard · 02/09/2025 11:14

SerendipityJane · 02/09/2025 11:08

Because (unlike an asteroid) there would be warnings. When they stepped in in 1976 (because Labour had inherited the mother of all debts from the previous Tory government) it was flagged up for months before hand. By a jubilant press who were really upset that the Tories lost the October 1974 election when Ted Heath famously asked the country "Who's in charge".

Of course part of the debt spiral was driven by energy prices spiking after a foreign war.

As they say, history may not repeat itself, but it rhymes.

I can also assure all posters that no matter what they read (or think they read) there will not be conscription in the next 10 years.

I never was one for diaries, but I'm quite happy to go through all and every headline and find out the predecessor and where the sky didn't fall in.

Have we had "the army is being put on standby" yet ? That's a perennial favourite.

‘Crisis, what crisis’ that type of thing, helped get Labour out. I guess so.

twistyizzy · 02/09/2025 11:14

Goldenbear · 02/09/2025 10:42

The truth is, it's taken 14 of declining living standards to crystallise them into a political movement i.e. Reform and with the help of the right wing media, the ramping up of this fear (just like this thread) makes people afraid and seek out simplistic solutions from populist, authoritarian politicians.

Yes because it is always, without exception, someone else's fault isn't it? Usually Tories or Reform. Or right wing press/posters stirring up negativity etc.

Unable to take accountability or responsibility for plainly shit policies and decisions. Just always the fault of someone else.

"What about the Tories"? Wore thin after 6 months. Labour have been in power for 14 months now. They need to start owning it and taking responsibility. Will they still be blaming Tories at the next election? (Oh of course they will 🙄).

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 02/09/2025 11:15

SerendipityJane · 02/09/2025 11:08

Because (unlike an asteroid) there would be warnings. When they stepped in in 1976 (because Labour had inherited the mother of all debts from the previous Tory government) it was flagged up for months before hand. By a jubilant press who were really upset that the Tories lost the October 1974 election when Ted Heath famously asked the country "Who's in charge".

Of course part of the debt spiral was driven by energy prices spiking after a foreign war.

As they say, history may not repeat itself, but it rhymes.

I can also assure all posters that no matter what they read (or think they read) there will not be conscription in the next 10 years.

I never was one for diaries, but I'm quite happy to go through all and every headline and find out the predecessor and where the sky didn't fall in.

Have we had "the army is being put on standby" yet ? That's a perennial favourite.

Surely it depends on just how many black holes Rachel ‘finds’ ? You can’t keep finding them and expect Giit yields not to shoot up.

I’m enjoying the space theme.

twistyizzy · 02/09/2025 11:18

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 02/09/2025 11:15

Surely it depends on just how many black holes Rachel ‘finds’ ? You can’t keep finding them and expect Giit yields not to shoot up.

I’m enjoying the space theme.

Edited

It's surely a super massive black hole 🕳 now though?

Goldenbear · 02/09/2025 11:24

twistyizzy · 02/09/2025 11:14

Yes because it is always, without exception, someone else's fault isn't it? Usually Tories or Reform. Or right wing press/posters stirring up negativity etc.

Unable to take accountability or responsibility for plainly shit policies and decisions. Just always the fault of someone else.

"What about the Tories"? Wore thin after 6 months. Labour have been in power for 14 months now. They need to start owning it and taking responsibility. Will they still be blaming Tories at the next election? (Oh of course they will 🙄).

But your response sorted of proves my point, you are seeking simplistic solutions to complex problems.

Goldenbear · 02/09/2025 11:24

Sort not "sorted".

twistyizzy · 02/09/2025 11:25

Goldenbear · 02/09/2025 11:24

But your response sorted of proves my point, you are seeking simplistic solutions to complex problems.

Where have i sought simplistic answers in my reply? You are putting words I didn't write into my mouth.
I haven't given or asked for answers. I am asking for Labour to stop blaming everyone else and take responsibility.

BIossomtoes · 02/09/2025 11:28

twistyizzy · 02/09/2025 11:25

Where have i sought simplistic answers in my reply? You are putting words I didn't write into my mouth.
I haven't given or asked for answers. I am asking for Labour to stop blaming everyone else and take responsibility.

Why should they take responsibility for problems caused by the previous government? If I was chancellor I’d take responsibility by reversing Hunt’s unfunded £10 billion NI cuts. Presumably that’s not the kind of taking responsibility you want, though.

SerendipityJane · 02/09/2025 11:29

EasternStandard · 02/09/2025 11:14

‘Crisis, what crisis’ that type of thing, helped get Labour out. I guess so.

Oh they well fucked up 1974-1979, doubtless. But it was hardly like they came in on a wave of "let's fuck the country". It was the preceding Tory governments that did that all on their own. And we just were not equipped then with the tools to fight off interpretive dance and the punk spirit.

The genius of the post Heath Tory party was not to lurch to the right but reclaim the centre.

Odd to think how Sunak will be compared to Heath in almost exactly the same way Badenoch will not be compared to Thatcher. Thus proving it is a funny old world.

Goldenbear · 02/09/2025 11:32

twistyizzy · 02/09/2025 11:25

Where have i sought simplistic answers in my reply? You are putting words I didn't write into my mouth.
I haven't given or asked for answers. I am asking for Labour to stop blaming everyone else and take responsibility.

The economic challenges facing the country are not just down to Labour. If you think about it, why did the Labour party win the last general election? Because people were sick of the cuts to public services and the massive decline in standards of living so it can't really be that this is all due to Labour, however much you say it is so!

SerendipityJane · 02/09/2025 11:33

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 02/09/2025 11:15

Surely it depends on just how many black holes Rachel ‘finds’ ? You can’t keep finding them and expect Giit yields not to shoot up.

I’m enjoying the space theme.

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It accepted fact that the Sunak administration spent all it's time planning and preparing bear traps for the incoming Labour government as it was so much easier than running the fucking country.

Management experts who are fluent in the Peter Principle will recognise the unmistakable signs of an entire administration having risen to their level of incompetence practising a displacement strategy.

In fact that is one way to litmus test this administration - and currently they have yet to reach their level of incompetence. Which admittedly could occur at any time.

From astrophysics to classic management strategy guides. It's all here.

placemats · 02/09/2025 11:33

twistyizzy · 02/09/2025 11:25

Where have i sought simplistic answers in my reply? You are putting words I didn't write into my mouth.
I haven't given or asked for answers. I am asking for Labour to stop blaming everyone else and take responsibility.

If and it's a big IF Reform does come into government in four years time, who will it blame for the mess you seem to think the the country is currently in?

EasternStandard · 02/09/2025 11:33

SerendipityJane · 02/09/2025 11:29

Oh they well fucked up 1974-1979, doubtless. But it was hardly like they came in on a wave of "let's fuck the country". It was the preceding Tory governments that did that all on their own. And we just were not equipped then with the tools to fight off interpretive dance and the punk spirit.

The genius of the post Heath Tory party was not to lurch to the right but reclaim the centre.

Odd to think how Sunak will be compared to Heath in almost exactly the same way Badenoch will not be compared to Thatcher. Thus proving it is a funny old world.

There’s enough recollection of Labour then for it to become a repeating idea. A rhyme as you put in the pp.

We’ll see if they end up with similar. Ignoring the problem while the public can see it.

SerendipityJane · 02/09/2025 11:34

Goldenbear · 02/09/2025 11:32

The economic challenges facing the country are not just down to Labour. If you think about it, why did the Labour party win the last general election? Because people were sick of the cuts to public services and the massive decline in standards of living so it can't really be that this is all due to Labour, however much you say it is so!

Plus: Where is the Brexit they were promised ?

twistyizzy · 02/09/2025 11:34

placemats · 02/09/2025 11:33

If and it's a big IF Reform does come into government in four years time, who will it blame for the mess you seem to think the the country is currently in?

Well of they follow Labour's example then they get at least 14 months to blame Labour

placemats · 02/09/2025 11:36

SerendipityJane · 02/09/2025 11:34

Plus: Where is the Brexit they were promised ?

Farage certainly doesn't deliver diddly squat.

BIossomtoes · 02/09/2025 11:39

placemats · 02/09/2025 11:36

Farage certainly doesn't deliver diddly squat.

And never will.

placemats · 02/09/2025 11:40

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Personal attack? Your bad

BIossomtoes · 02/09/2025 11:41

twistyizzy · 02/09/2025 11:40

Personal attack? Your bad

Edited

Wow, that’s a stretch.

Goldenbear · 02/09/2025 11:46

SerendipityJane · 02/09/2025 11:34

Plus: Where is the Brexit they were promised ?

Yes, comical to think that one of the promises was to take back control on immigration and asylum, and cut migration to the tens of thousands.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 02/09/2025 11:50

Goldenbear · 02/09/2025 11:46

Yes, comical to think that one of the promises was to take back control on immigration and asylum, and cut migration to the tens of thousands.

Im agreeing with you on Brexit, but Farrage wasn’t part of the Brexit process.

notimagain · 02/09/2025 11:51

Goldenbear · 02/09/2025 11:46

Yes, comical to think that one of the promises was to take back control on immigration and asylum, and cut migration to the tens of thousands.

I'm afraid the standard response to that by the hard core leavers is that we didn't get the Brexit we were promised because the leave process was sabotaged by "the Blob", the wets, the remainers, May, Boris, etc etc....

SerendipityJane · 02/09/2025 11:53

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 02/09/2025 11:50

Im agreeing with you on Brexit, but Farrage wasn’t part of the Brexit process.

No. History recalls it was Tory government that promised to "Get Brexit Done".

Which they did. And it was shit and nothing like they promised.

I'm pleased this thread gave us all a chance to remember.

BIossomtoes · 02/09/2025 11:53

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 02/09/2025 11:50

Im agreeing with you on Brexit, but Farrage wasn’t part of the Brexit process.

He instigated the whole thing. It would never have happened without him.

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