To think this spineless government will give in to grabby train drivers

[LupaMoonhowl]

I live in London and wasn’t aware of this till I saw in mentioned in passing on another thread.
It is utterly scandalous that they can hold the city to ransom like this! How can they cut off key transport for 5 days! And no doubt they’re confident that the spineless, incompetent and public sector/vote buying government and cynical chancer Kahn will give into what they demand.
Back to the 70s 😔😔
Tube and DLR strikes - September 2025
Strikes are planned on the Tube and DLR.

• From Sunday 7 to Thursday 11 September 2025, Tube services will be severely disrupted, with little to no service expected
• Any services that do run between Monday 8 and Friday 12 September will start later than usual with no service before 08:00
• On Tuesday 8 and Thursday 11 September 2025, there will also be no service on the DLR

Well said

😂😂 Slightly different..

Who gets fatigued from a 35 hour a week job?

Which newer tube trains don’t have ATO capacity?

I work for a PLC
38 days holiday
7+7% pension
STIP/ LTIP
40% bonus
car allowance to salary sacrifice a premium car for personal use
Private health care
++++

private companies vary massively.

I can't tell if you're agreeing with me - which your comment itself does - or if you're construing that I don't get the idea of unions?!

Why are there so many thread titles these days that (regardless of the actual content) sound like someone typing one handed in the Daily Mail comments section whilst mumbling angrily in Cyrillic?

They're (potentially) cutting off key transit for five days BECAUSE the government didn't give in to them. And it's really not long at all as far as strikes go; in many places they stretch on for months. There'll be alternative transport available.

But my nephew required 3 years training. He’s only just qualified.

Think of the pilots flying planes for 10 hours a day. Train drivers are a joke. It’s not all of them - I knew one who hated the unions and was embarrassed. He was happy with his salary and his working hours meant he could be a handy man around that (which he enjoyed). The unions tend to be run by overly aggressive egos.

I work for a private charity.

5% pension
25 days annual leave
No bonus
No healthcare
No salary rise for 8 years

Yet if we all went on strike no-one would get GCSEs or A Levels.

Well apparently pilots do.

And being responsible for the H and S of a large amount of passengers must be quite hard.

Agree

Pilots have jet lag to factor in too. No much of that on the circle line.

😂 true. They can’t even claim to be dizzy and disorientated any more ;)

I suppose you could potentially say the same about aeroplanes. The pilot has to be there - and I don't doubt that their skills are great - but the plane already does a lot of it automatically, so how long would it be until it could do 100% of it without any human skill required?

Obviously, with a plane, there's the need for a human to intervene just in case something goes wrong - driverless cars have proven not to be 100% infallible, even if on average they proportionately cause fewer deaths than cars with human drivers - and of course, people will always have more trust knowing that a human is there and in charge, even if they actually have nothing to do.

Pilots who fly to Europe and back don’ t factor in jet lag

No it doesn’t

Oh yes it does!

it’s not a race to the bottom though is it? Wouldn’t it be nice if you had the same opportunity to control your working conditions? You don’t, but it seems odd to expect that means everyone should join you

😂 he’s behind you.

But no, no it doesn’t have drivers. There’s a guard who turns a key for the doors, could activate train instructions in case of an eg. Derailment. Also unnecessary on every train really, but a good human interface who doesn’t need to be paid as much as ‘drivers’.

They have a “passenger service assistant” on board who can take control in an emergency but their role is to make announcements and check tickets (even though that’s automated but it was a union thing). I assume that’s what the poster is referring to. But they do not have drivers on board.

But equally why do train drivers "deserve" more? They had a huge pay increase and have generally good working conditions due to aggressive and militant unions.

Ah I know, it's because they are on Labour's list of what a "working person" is, nurses aren't.
I work 45 hours per week and I'm definitely not on the list of what a working person is purely because I don't work for a state run organisation. Yet is my job of enabling children to sit GCSEs and Alevels which improve their life chances any less important?

OP, there are a whole bunch of threads on the site at the moment outlining how dreadful it is that foreigners insist on coming to the UK and then refusing point blank to "respect the culture". Well, the thing is that the UK was the first country in the world to introduce a right to withdraw labour in furtherance of an industrial dispute. It's part of our culture and something to be proud of. British workers are not slaves.

Oh, and that was 1875, long before there was a Labour Party.

How very scandulous that you don't respect British democracy and culture, and think everything is about whether it inconveniences you or not.

I agree but the PSA must be qualified to drive a train in an emergency otherwise he couldn't move the train.