To be starting to worry that Reform will win next GE?

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The polls have shown a consistent lead. Is there any realistic chance of Reform actually winning the next election?

I vote Labour, but it’s hard to see how they’ve managed to throw away such a lead in just a year, and it’s hard to see how their polling improves. The Tories maybe have more opportunity for improving, but we’re going to see a Reform government, aren’t we? Nigel Farage is going to be our next PM.

I’ve copied and pasted exactly what she wrote, it’s quite tiresome having to do that just to remind someone what they wrote 5 minutes ago. If you don’t want a Reform government I’d strongly suggest engaging honestly, you do your lost cause no favours with this type of nonsense.

Unfortunately I think they stand a good chance. When people become disenfranchised they march, they riot , they hold rallies and protests and they vote for those who they think ( naively) will save them.

Copying and pasting it is you proving yourself wrong. Seriously wrong.

If you honestly can’t see that’s not what she’s saying, then you’re either not reading properly or just being wilfully stupid. There’s no point trying to explain it if you won’t actually engage with the words in front of you.

Here’s one last attempt: the previous poster is saying you can care about both issues, but one clearly matters more. You’re the one trying to twist it into an either/or, when it isn’t. Hope that helps. It probably won't. It will be better for you to stop digging your heels in when proven wrong but you will obviously die on this hill

As you keep saying, there are four years to go.

It's not policy unless there's a genuine will to implement it. Or do you think that Labour still intend to:

Grow the economy by investing in business and helping them to thrive? Build 1.5 million houses? Smash the Gangs? Bring down the NHS waiting list and give you a family doctor? Save you £300 on your energy bills?

In a democracy, everyone gets a vote and whoever wins gets to be in power. Currently, polls show overwhelming support for reform which suggests a large majority would vote for them.. just because you aren't in that majority, doesn't mean we should cancel democracy for everyone else.

I could say the same about my cancer treatment which was when the Tories were in I couldn't fault it, but I do think it depends on your Hospital Trust and how good they are with their budgets. It can be hit and miss.

I know we rarely agree on stuff on here but I do wish your partner well and glad that he is receiving excellent treatment.

You said “ask anyone” so I responded. Maybe you should have put caveats in to begin with.

What is illegal immigration? Because it isn’t coming on a small boat; that is perfectly legal. Improving the systems in place for those that remain here illegally sure, but that’s not who are in the hotels that are being protested outside.

Yes, they may will - but first ask why the major parties appear to be such dreadful choices that Reform could be considered.

It’s a foregone conclusion they will the win next conclusion. May as well start preparing for it.

So am I misquoting or quoting accurately ( and proving myself wrong) ?

The pp said Choosing to be more concerned about refugees being harassed, attacked, and set on fire than about which schools 6–7% of children go to isn’t bias — it’s basic humanity

I asked You seem to be implying education tax is necessary if you have compassion for refugees? What is the relationship?

So what is the relationship between the two? Why do you have education tax for basic humanity?

I’ll say again one last time, that if you don’t want a reform government you should start engaging honestly as this self righteous, authoritarian, obnoxious hypocrisy does your cause no favours.

Either way it’s the net tax payers who make it possible, I don’t think constantly hounding them is going to help anything.

Precisely.

Again…. As I have posted elsewhere on this thread. Go take a look at Keir Starmer’s own facebook page where you will see that he himself refers to them as ‘illegal migrants’ multiple times! I’m going to go with what the government are saying as the are the ones who makes the laws in the UK, not some random on mumsnet who decides to take it upon themselves to call them ‘legal’ and spout it as fact!

In fact here we go! Quoted from his very own Facebook page

“Illegal migration risks our security.

I get it, you’re angry. So am I.

That’s why I’m rolling up my sleeves to fix it.”

Nothing is ever a forgone conclusion. I think it’s unlikely that Farage et al can maintain this performance for four years.

The fact that mainstream politicians contribute to the Overton window shift is not necessarily a good thing though. In particular I find the suggestion we should leave the ECHR concerning. It's a slippery slope towards rejecting international legal framework wholesale, which comes with a lack of transparency and accountability towards our own citizens. I can't see that as a positive.

Only 67.1% of people in England received their diagnosis and started their first treatment within 2 months (or 62 days) of an urgent referral* in June 2025. The target is 85% and has not been met since December 2015.14 Aug 2025 (cancerresearchuk)

Me too. By voting tactically. I really hope that doesn't mean voting for Reform, but the way I feel about Labour, if it means having to vote for the God awful Reform, I may just have to hold my nose and do it.

Reform's support is a mile wide and an inch deep. It's why they shout so loudly whilst being embraced by a media desperate for some civil unrest.

Exactly what Labour's was in 2024 then? Labour got in on a protest vote against Tories. If enough people do the same against Labour in 4 years time.....

You still said “ask anyone”. I do realise my response was highly inconvenient for you because you only wanted horror stories.

Equally I’d hold my nose and vote Tory if it was the only way to keep Reform out. It’s a game we can all play.

Yes, OP, that is how democracy works - people vote for the party/leader they want to run the country. Were you unaware of how voting works in the UK?

Let's be brutally honest, it's a faceless forum. There is zero way of clarifying if you even have a bloke recieving cancer treatment. As I said, it's great to hear he has received good treatment if so, however I've presented you with a stat from cancer research to suggest cancer treatment under the NHS is not meeting the targets.