To be starting to worry that Reform will win next GE?

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The polls have shown a consistent lead. Is there any realistic chance of Reform actually winning the next election?

I vote Labour, but it’s hard to see how they’ve managed to throw away such a lead in just a year, and it’s hard to see how their polling improves. The Tories maybe have more opportunity for improving, but we’re going to see a Reform government, aren’t we? Nigel Farage is going to be our next PM.

Do you have an example of Farrage and Reform encouraging attacks against hotels or is this just basic libel?

Posters on mumsnet?

Whilst that is very wrong of course, I doubt the kids being called names are even aware of that - and it doesn't lead to real-world violence.

Refugees being called parasites and invaders has lead to real world violence.

They are constantly called this, your party of choice has at times said far worse, inc not caring if sent back and killed/tortured

Yes. No it's not libel.

After the Southport killings, Nigel Farage and others falsely framed the suspect as a “migrant” or “Muslim asylum seeker.” Police later confirmed he was British-born. That misinformation lit the fuse for the riots that followed, with hotels, mosques and communities attacked.

here he is admitting it

Nigel Farage Has Admitted Spreading Misinformation From Andrew Tate About The Southport Killings

Labour didn’t win. The conservatives lost.

Nobody actually wanted Labour to come to power. They’ve fucked over the country enough. People were just sick of the Cons.

Do you have an example of Farrage and Reform encouraging attacks against hotels or is this just basic libel?

The NHS already offers a poor quality service to the poorest and it's only ever getting worse. Ask anyone's experiences of loved ones receiving cancer treatment or end of life care, or the privatisation of dental care, operation waiting lists etc. Let's not pretend Blair/Boris/Cameron/Starmer etc have actually improved those services under their watch.

Like Labour you mean, when before they came to power they were against the cutting of WFA for pensioners and then once they were voted in it was one of the first things they did.

I consider closing schools and taking away education choice as an act of real world violence. I think you have a low bar of what levels of moral and competence is acceptable from a Government.

Labour have to go, Reform is preferable.

Would hardly call him ‘viable’ lol.

Jesus wept. If you dont get it now, you're doomed. Spreading misinformation is a clear proven way of encouraging violence. I think you're just being deliberately obtuse in the face of real events.

You are spelling Farage wrong by the way, if you are trying to support or defend him, getting his name right might be a good start.

Here's a light buffet of other hateful and racist remarks from Reformers that emboldened racist attacks

BBC News - Reform UK campaigners caught making racist slurs
www.bbc.com/news/articles/c10l5qd8p60o

There's nothing in that report that says Nigel Farage encouraged attacks.

I don’t. I could ask the same of you regarding disabled people. During my time as a benefit advisor it wasn’t unusual to see UC footing the bill for 85% of childcare costs - frequently around £1700 a month for two children. That’s two and a half times the monthly maximum PIP payment for the most severely disabled and no-one says a word, but mention disability benefits on MN and the general consensus is that they should be abolished. Why should parents be supported to this extent and not disabled people, given that parenthood is a choice and disability is not.

Because he doesn't need to directly. Thats how language works.

And yet here we are.

There's many a slip twixt cup and lip.

Seeing the mess Reform is making of the Councils they won it's hard to see them winning an overall majority. At some point the media will have have to subject their policies to proper scrutiny. At the moment they are controlling the narrative, especially online. The gushing sweetheart press can't last forever.

Their other problem is Donald Trump. They seem besotted with him and hope his magic rubs off on them. But most British people hate him.

Hmm seems a bit wishy washy, where as the below seems very clear. Labour do seem to have a massive blind spot in their infuriating hypocrisy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjeykklwn7vo.amp

Here are Treasury actual projections from the court case linked to revenue for % leaving. We are at 3% so already revenue has dropped to less than £1B.
These are the figures that Labour didn't release during the debate on VAT (and have never publicly released).
The IFS figs didn't take into account the exemptions Labour had to later apply, the number of parents who pre-paid so will never pay VAT plus was based on no children leaving.
The court case also revealed Labour’s estimate that 54K would leave by end of this parliament, based on their own calculations, that's 10% which = £0 revenue.

Labour lied to you and you swallowed it. It was never going to be £6B. Plus the author of the report was BFF with the min8ister in charge of implementation.....hardly an unbiased report.

FYI VAT isn't a luxury tax, that's completely incorrect.

They're both inciting violence. Farage is just better at it.

I do not support labour so thats not quite the "gotcha" you think it is. Notice how he's not longer around where as the human sewer pipe Farage (or Farrage as you keep saying) is still banging on about mass deportation while people scream at migrant hotels, deface roundabouts and make racist remarks

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Exactly, great example, so to my original question… which reform policies resonate with the poster?

Thanks for the example. Nobody is denying he made incitements of violence though, so I'm not sure what you think you're proving.

Are you denying that Farage falsley claiming the stockport killer was a muslim migrant was the catalyst for the violence against refugees last year?

Just say that you are denying that, then we can actually know whether you're defending that or not, and how you really feel about it. The first stage is admitting it.

I’m a lifelong Conservative voter. I’ve always believed in a smaller state; minimal state involvement in our lives; lower taxes and getting people out to work using the stick in addition to the carrot. I believe in controlled immigration and am pro Capitalism. I don’t have any interest in Net Zero or other policies that stymie growth or financial stability.

But the Conservatives forgot they were Conservative and did a terrible job.

I didn’t bother voting at the last election. I felt that it couldn’t get much worse, so may as well let Labour have a go.

But Labour have proven themselves to be incompetent at growing the economy. They had ideas about reducing the state, but not the guts to do it. They have chosen tax rises, which harmed employment and growth.
I’m seeing myself, the middle class get poorer and start to struggle, regardless of 30 years of work, saving and risk behind me.

Then there is immigration and illegal immigration - which we get asked to call irregular instead. There are more people to house, feed, clothe, requiring healthcare, school etc at the taxpayers expense. A high number are not net contributors we get told they are. I don’t care whether they are from Sudan or Sweden…if they aren’t net contributors, they are an additional burden.

And it’s all about to just get worse with more desperate tax rises in the Autumn budget.

So I’m seriously considering lending my vote to Reform at the next election. They (many business people) understand that you can’t keep squeezing revenue from one place and the need to make cuts and reduce the size of the state in order to promote growth. They are not socialists, they do not agree with open door policies where immigration is concerned and are unsympathetic to illegal immigration.

Reform have an excellent chance of getting into power, you are correct. But that’s because your party have done and continue to do a shockingly bad job, making exceptionally poor decisions. Failing to make the changes to the country that are required.
And the welfare system is growing. And more people are coming into the country needing help. And some of the really rich are leaving….so for people like myself, the middle, it’s not going to get better is it. Because you’re going to keep needing more money.

I didn’t say hypocrisy was reserved for Labour supporters. They just have a massive blind spot.