To think that surely Rayner has to go.

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Well well well.

So now it emerges that Rayner rearranged her property affairs and declared to HMRC that her new flat in Brighton is her main residence and saved £40k on the SDLT bill as a result.

She has then apparently declared to the local councils the complete opposite.

I'm sure slimeball Kier will defend and say it was perfectly legal blah blah blah.

Not to mention she has a grace and favour house funded by tax payers in London as her constituency office is so far away. Yet she 'lives' in Brighton - surely she could just commute that distance like may others do every day.

Surely she has to go.

I think it's cleary true regarding the valuations. The previous house sales on that road are a matter of public record.

Why was her house valued so highly? I can't think of any other explanation, can you?

Who made the valuation?

If she used estate agents, there should have been at least 3 estate agents (preferably 5) and the average used to produce the valuation. It's good practice to exclude the highest and lowest from the calculation - e.g. 5 valuations, taking an average of the middle 3.

It will be interesting to see how many valuations she obtained.

"Sources close to Angela Rayner said the house had been valued by a third party, and questioned the accuracy of local valuations from agents who had not seen inside the property."

This…. She is part of the leadership of a ‘socialist’ political party.
‘Tax avoidance’ although legal is not in the spirit of a ‘socialist’ party member.

‘Tax avoidance is viewed by socialists as theft from the public. It’s not just a legal or economic issue, but a moral and political one, tied to fairness, solidarity, and the proper functioning of a just society’.

Basically THEFT - she has to go 😔

She’s going nowhere. Starmer loves ‘hard done by Rayner’. Reeves considers her to be a friend and colleague. The Labour Leeches!

That’s the point the two aren’t comparable yet people are saying what AR did is the most immoral thing they’ve seen in their lifetime (read the post!!), which is ridiculous and disgusting.

Besides the tax issue. She sued the NHS for her son born at 23 weeks - when survival chance is only 30 percent, he survived and has sight impariment and learning difficulties- what a great outcome for a baby born that early-instead of being grateful to the hospital for saving her childs life she sued them/taxpayers.

I’m admitting no such thing and as you say, let’s not comment on an active case!

What I’m pointing out is to compare what AR did to many of the immoral failures that happened in COVID and the terrible situation of Grenfel Tower to name a few is ridiculous and disgusting.

We will never know if Labour would have done a better job and it’s just childish to shout lucky for them they didn’t have to face difficult choices etc.The Conservatives, did and many feel like they failed hence once of the reasons they lost the last election.

Given that the case against the NHS was successful I think it’s safe to assume that the NHS was negligent, so why shouldn’t she sue? Fair play to her; my late husband was on the end of NHS negligence on several occasions. It took legal action in each case to even get them to admit it, and to change their process to reduce the risk to others. Without action, the negligent behaviour continues and others are impacted . The culture of cover up in the NHS is appalling.

You’re talking about allegations made against one person who wasn’t in government, was suspended from the Lords and who was sued by the Tory government for return of the money. That’s not evidence of Tory fraud, whatever Mone did or didn’t do.

I don’t think the comparison is very sensible, if anyone actually made it in the first place: the (supposed) facts are so different. But if you’re going to object to the Tories-defrauding-public-money-from-Covid part of it as being somehow so much worse you should have evidence to back it up. You have none.

One of the reasons people turned against the Tories was the outrageous lies told by Labour and its supporters about Tory PPE fraud.

It’s not childish to point out that Labour would have had all the same terrible dilemmas and decisions to make and that, in my opinion, they would have been no better, and almost certainly worse, at managing a national emergency.

You’re not reading my post correctly. I see you’re concentrating on PPE, after telling me not to discuss an active case. So I’ve moved on from that.

I’m talking about lots of other examples of immoral behaviour and you’re not addressing that - you’re deliberately discussing what fits your narrative as expected.

As I said, saying what Angela Rayner has done is the most immoral thing that you’ve seen in your lifetime is ridiculous and disgusting. (a poster has said that on this thread if you read it properly you’ll see).If you can’t see that then there’s no point in carrying on this discussion with you.

You have no evidence for what you’re alleging about PPE fraud. I mentioned Mone because that’s who Labour supporters always come up with, despite the fact she wasn’t in government or an MP.

The report into Grenfell implicated both Tory and Labour governments as failing to act properly (though most criticism was of the companies concerned, to be fair to the politicians).

That’s all.

I will take that as an acknowledgment that this is NOT the most immoral act by a politician in or out of government in people’s lifetimes.

I never said it was.

Labour lies about WMD to promote the Iraq war was worse, for example.

My point was that another poster had which you didn’t acknowledge.

I'm getting bored you’ve obviously got an agenda here.

Most, if not all, parents with a child with disabilities that mean they will need lifelong support caused by errors or neglect would seek compensation from the hospital. It’s incredibly hard to successfully sue and requires a lengthy process. The decision is made by several independent experts. It’s really below the belt to suggest this was wrong. This is a child who could live to be 80 needing care and will never lead a normal life.

Is there another politician in recent history who has has vocally, aggressively and publicly criticised their opponents over an extended period of time for their approach to standards in public life and probity around financials matters who has then very publicly been found to be lacking against the very standards they measured others against though?

Possibly not, I don’t know enough or care enough to investigate but it’s certainly not the most immoral act in living memory and to saying so is disgusting.

And for clarity I’m not excusing any of AR’s behaviour here just challenging the ridiculous of claiming it’s one of the immoral acts/ behaviour. People need to keep things in perspective.

I can’t help it if you’re bored.

But I can do my best to challenge you when you peddle the falsehoods about Tory PPE fraud. That’s my ‘agenda’. Your agenda is clear enough. They’re both valid.

I wouldn’t have made the comparison you say someone else made (though Rayner is probably the most obvious case of a self-appointed moralising political rottweiler who’s fallen flat on her face).

Were they high standards or basic ones?

I mean Zahawi Hunt Jenrick all did things in Govt that involved far greater amounts of money, Jenrick 36m, Zahawi 5m... Hunt saved himself 100k in SLDT by using a loophole he himself had only just put in.....

None resigned and no witch hunt by Tory supporters sooooo keen to see Rayner go...... standards? yes double ones.....

Are you saying Rayner should have kept quiet?

On the valuation of the house, you and others are accusing the valuers of fraud.... i hope you've evidence of this?

Previous sales don't count, in my postcode, house values vary from 300k to over 1m.

I did think Rayner should have resigned but after reading so much hatred falsehoods and froth directed at her, i hope she stays and sticks two fingers up to the press and others.

Some on here are absolutely horrible people, delighting at others suffering, this isn' politics we should aspire too.

Yep to this

You’re back to PPE again!! We’ve moved on

Finally you’ve admitted it’s not the most immoral act Perspective needed or people look ridiculous.

Some on here are absolutely horrible people, delighting at others suffering, this isn' politics we should aspire too.

Oh, please.

Since I never said it, that’s not much of a point.

You’ve moved on from PPE because you can’t back up your accusation.

Incredible. From the most entrenched posters delighting in the last lot too.