To think that surely Rayner has to go.

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Well well well.

So now it emerges that Rayner rearranged her property affairs and declared to HMRC that her new flat in Brighton is her main residence and saved £40k on the SDLT bill as a result.

She has then apparently declared to the local councils the complete opposite.

I'm sure slimeball Kier will defend and say it was perfectly legal blah blah blah.

Not to mention she has a grace and favour house funded by tax payers in London as her constituency office is so far away. Yet she 'lives' in Brighton - surely she could just commute that distance like may others do every day.

Surely she has to go.

Amen.

Yes how odd! 'Damned' if she does adhere to rules regarding properties in trust? She obviously is still the legal owner as her ds is under 18. I'm not a lawyer and would have presumed that.

She's cocked up and needs to go.

Are you really suggesting a legal firm would make such a mistake?

Or the mistake is made with the information given to the legal firm. We can all make that mistake ...

Don’t use language so strongly reminiscent of ancient satire then.

You’re no closer to addressing the wee problem you’ve got this afternoon, are you?

One hopes that Shoosmiths release their version of events….

I haven’t got a problem. 🤷‍♀️

Sure (I think you do).

Right, so - how do you think this plays out?

I'm not comparing. Both major parties have massively let us down. Which will be evident come the results of the next GE. Incompetence doesn't come close to describing what this country is enduring from.this government atm. The.world must be laughing their arses off.

The Guardian faithful aren’t happy.

Here’s one of the higher upticked comments:

Yvette Cooper - A disgrace
Angela Rayner - A disgrace
Keir Starmer - A digrace
The Labour Party - A disgrace

Pithy.

No problem for me. I think the legal advice will be submitted in evidence to the independent adviser on ministerial standards and they will establish whether any wrongdoing has been committed. Rayner has already said she will pay HMRC the under payment of stamp duty. Pretty much what she said in her interview with Beth Rigby.

I think many business owners, the self-employed and accountants would be surprised to hear about HMRC and this “due care” concept. If you are self-employed or a business owner and you don’t get your taxes right they will come after you with everything they’ve got including fines, the lot.

Of course she has to pay the correct stamp duty! That’s not a flex….

Turning to your predictive powers - did you foresee today’s events too? And do you genuinely believe she will ‘survive’ - in your words.

Are the advisors known? Then yes they should protect their reputation.

So, it turns out that Ange wasn’t at Hove during the weekend - she was actually up Shit Creek - sans paddle….

I’ll get my coat…

No, I am fully aware.

The onus is on the taxpayer - its well established in law.

Rayner has no choice but to pay HMRC the correct amount of tax she owes

its not an opt in opt out option, what is though is the information you choose to give to them

The tax office has launched an investigation into Angela Rayner’s affairs after she admitted underpaying stamp duty on her second home.

DT.

I hope she’s squeaky clean….

If Shoosmith's gave her incorrect legal advice, then clearly she will take legal action against them given the serious problems she's been caused . Obviously her taking legal action will require her to have provided them with the correct information and not misled them. So we will soon find out.

An accountant being surprised to hear how HMRC works

😂right

Shoosmiths advice to the Trustees, has no bearing on the matter with respect to the adviser on Ministerial standards investigation, because they are investigating Rayner not the Trust. The only relevant advice is that she took personally on the property transaction.

The Land Registry entry makes it very clear that Rayner is a co-owner, and she must have known that. To not do so would fall below the standard of care that a ordinary taxpayer is expected to take.

To hide behind 'trusts are complicated' is a nonsense with respect to her stamp duty obligations. Trust can be complicated, but property ownership, children and trusts is a very simple matter

Zahawi, ex Çhancellor, paid "nearly £5million" to HMRC for his "serious error". If the Chancellor of the Exchequer can't count his millions properly and make serious errors of judgment when juggling his personal finances then so can any of us. You'd hope the Chancellor would manage a little better than that? What hope for the rest of us?

Everyone should applaud a country where a care assistance can become not only an MP, but a deputy prime minister within a few short years.

And just marvel at how good at saving she is to get the deposit for her new gaff.

Either she tried to dodge tax or she made a mistake. If it’s the former she must go for dishonesty. If it’s the latter she must go for incompetence.

So have just caught up on the thread and it seems that AR's fans have moved on from weaponising the fact that she is a working class woman in order to insinuate that anyone criticising her is a bad person, to weaponising the fact that she has a disabled child.

To anyone who isn't blinded by their loyalty to the Labour party, it's just more grubby hypocrisy from politicians.