Is anyone better off since Labour

[Luckymum20]

I am not just talking financially but feeling optimistic about the future for children, old age.

With the £22 billion debt now pasing £50 billion.

The increase in Council tax (that they said the wouldn't do). OAPs raid on pensions and no Winter fuel relief. Changes to finance regarding care homes. Utilities up. TV licence up. Food costs up...

I know minimum wage has increased but all costs have increased by a greater amount!

In 2021 minimum wage was almost 30% lower than it is now...

So I ask. Is anyone actually feeling better off, optimistic and pleased with this Government.

Also the October budget of likely to bring more stains on the 'average working man"

YABU - change will happen. It a good thing.

YANBU - not good

Residential care home fees for those who have assets are charged at a higher rate than those being paid for by local authorities. If we are to remove private education and health services, then shouldn’t all old people (I’m one) have exactly the same level of care at no cost to them?

40K state teachers leave every year cos of issues in state schools. That takes more resource than independent schools!

Supporters of VAT always claim independent schools are full of unqualified, crap teachers who can't hack it in state schools. So which one is it cos you can't have it both ways? Are independent schools taking good state teachers or not?

Oh yawn!

And if we’re fact checking 67% of Nigeria pay for private education unlike our paltry 6% so you’re not exactly comparing like for like are you.

But then you knew that.

This isn’t a thread about private education. You started plenty of those yourself. Can you not unearth one of those?

I doubt it. Some people just prefer not to mix with the rest of us. That's why we have gated communities and exclusive clubs and private boxes etc. I don't think you necessarily get a better education at a private school.

Facts eh? So inconvenient

Yes I can see how facts are boring for you when they don't suit your narrative.

It doesn't matter, no other country in the world taxes education of children.

You still haven't given me your credentials in education, which you demanded from me. Or a coherent argument about why you support taxing of children's education but not adults.

You also aren't the thread police. This is a thread about life under Labour and numerous posters have said they are worse off due to Education Tax. It's an entirely credible discussion.

No, of course not! 😂🤦🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️

You mean teachers chose to work in a calmer environment where kids want to learn?

Labour are doing a lot of unpopular things, as it’s still relatively early in their term. I feel that if this were still a Tory government, we would be subjected to more and more populist and unrealistic policies, with the tories more and more convinced that they are invincible, spending more and more on themselves and their rich mates, digging us even deeper into their shit of the last fourteen years.

I think Labour know that they’re not invincible, that even now, they are being shown the yellow card, and that the Tory media are not on their side. They are terrible at communicating, but I think they are trying to play their cards fairly carefully, ignoring the negative publicity, so that as an election approaches, they might have something to show for what they have done. We are not at that stage yet.

I would still rather have Labour than the self-serving Tories, or the devil incarnate Farage, who is trying to disguise himself as a knight in shining armour who is going to rid us of those pesky immigrants once and for all, but who is actually even more self-serving and corrupt than Boris Johnson.

France is, by and large, a socialist country yet, if you choose to send your kids to private school there you are given their state education costs to put towards the private fees! And they have an insurance based healthcare system that appears to be working…. And don’t get me started on the contribution to nursery costs to help mothers (of all incomes) get back to work.

They do for working age adults. That reverses for elderly care where most residents are self funded.

Fun fact: many European countries ie Germany and France given tax incentives to use independent schools because they understand that they relieve pressure on state schools.

Yes and they pay all these taxes in other Europesn countries too, on top of 30% basic rate tax instead of 20% basic rate tax. THATS why their services are better than ours!

I feel reasonably secure about the fact that, after the chaos of the preceding 14 years, sensible people are now in charge. I was under no illusions that they could perform miracles, and I am quite impressed by the fact that they have listened to public views about some of their more controversial policies. I really hope they the current SEND legislation in place, though, and simply strengthen its enforceability.

Yes, it increases education options and saves the the state money. Education tax doesn’t make any sense.

Yes, it increases education options and saves the the state money. Education tax doesn’t make any sense.

Why do you have to annihilate one to start the other? They know what works (smaller classes, more SEN support, PE and green fields to run in, kids who want to learn - arguably tied into parents paying as incentive but there you go) yet don't copy the private and indie systems. If the gov wanted it could up what it pays the education sector to match what private schools do. Why aren't they working towards getting schools to the same level? Where have you ever seen something amazing that is crushed being recreated just as well in our society? They don't want people to be able to compare and contrast - because the state offerings can't compare under this system, unless you live in London.

For the privileged few.

This thread isn’t about private education.

No, they're trying to out Tory the Tories, however anyone who thinks Reform is the answer is on crack. I like the new (possible) Green leader Zack Polanski, he seems like he's got a fire under his arse for making some positive changes, so if he gets in they'll probably get my next vote.

it wouldn’t be the privileged few if there were tax incentives, make it make sense.🙄

And therein lies ignorance re the realities of life for the majority. Very few can afford fees even with a tax reduction. Most are struggling to pay bills to no live let alone fees the size many earn.

Agree.

25%-30% of children in independent schools are on fee assistance. These are the ones disproportionately impacted by VAT

So your only support of taxing education is because very few can afford it?
Very few can afford £2500 per gram caviar but that's VAT exempt.