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Rip the flags down! A call for action!

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Ilovemychocolate · 25/08/2025 18:46

The sudden appearance of the English flag hung on lamp posts, railings etc has absolutely sickened me, and my dd.
I am proud to be British, but the misappropriation of the flag by thugs, intending to intimidate, is absolutely not acceptable in a diverse society.
So tonight myself and my adult dd ripped them down in our area, and tomorrow we will be going on a flag hunt, to rip down any more we find.
I would strongly urge those of you that feel the same way, to also remove them, as long as you feel safe and comfortable to do it.
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MistressoftheDarkSide · 25/08/2025 22:17

cardibach · 25/08/2025 22:14

You have to be virtue signalling and labour supporting to oppose vandalism and intimidation now? When did that come in?

That's a good point. I'm politically homeless at the minute as I can't even decide on a lesser evil, and they're all as bad as each other. And I'd like a clear definition if what constitutes virtue signalling, as obviously I've been mistaking common decency for it ......

Ilovemychocolate · 25/08/2025 22:18

Smilesinthesunshine · 25/08/2025 22:02

Teach your daughter to behave and be a better person.

She couldn’t be a better person than she is.
She is aware of social injustice, she’s a feminist, she’s an absolutely wonderful human being.
She abhors racism, she’s emphatic and hates racist intolerance.
How are you doing?

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cardibach · 25/08/2025 22:18

Murphs1 · 25/08/2025 22:15

Are some posters being purposely obtuse? There is nothing wrong with flying the English or British flag usually, but I think anyone with an iota of intelligence knows the connotations behind the mass of flags currently being displayed by certain groups and the links to discouraging diversity and inclusion and potentially encouraging racism and intolerance.

Exactly. The flag is fine (though I’m always a bit bemused by flag flying other than at events/celebrations). Using it in the way it is being used is something else. The whole ‘raise the colours’ nonsense has been kicked of by the far right - that’s a matter of fact. A real patriot would oppose it and object to the flag being used in this way.

Ilovemychocolate · 25/08/2025 22:20

SnailPail · 25/08/2025 22:04

I’d prepare your DD for the next election. Reform are on the path to victory (unfortunately) and Labour aren’t exactly tackling these issues with any dynamism.

She is prepared.
And rightly scared.

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NuovaPilbeam · 25/08/2025 22:23

Are you absolutely sure people aren't flying the England Flag in support of the Red Roses?

Our girls absolutely annihilated the US, we have a bloody good chance at winning this world cup.

Come on England!!

Ilovemychocolate · 25/08/2025 22:24

CinnamonBuns67 · 25/08/2025 22:12

Rather than ripping them down shouldn't we be flying them more so the racists can't use our nations flags as their hate propaganda so they get bored like all hateful people do. People who are proud to be British who want to display the flag should be able to do so, anywhere in the world but especially in England just like anybody else who is proud of where they come from. I think this don't fly the flag rubbish is going to worsen the problem not solve it, basically handing it on a plate to the racists and creating more hate just like they want.

I think we need to rip them down where they are not appropriate though…it’s about taking a stand against racism…at the moment the flag is being used to denote hatred towards anyone who is not “British”…that’s not what we are as a nation surely??

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GleisZwei · 25/08/2025 22:28

FollowSpot · 25/08/2025 22:09

We are tolerant of the English flag

But not so of the way it has been deliberately used by far right groups an anti-migrant anti-Muslim intent.

That is misuse of the flag.

it needs reclaiming.

People can fly their own flag in their own country if they like though, without needing the permission of anyone who chooses to finf offence. Last time I checked there were loads of people who are both English and muslim.

cardibach · 25/08/2025 22:29

GleisZwei · 25/08/2025 22:28

People can fly their own flag in their own country if they like though, without needing the permission of anyone who chooses to finf offence. Last time I checked there were loads of people who are both English and muslim.

They can. On their own property. Not tied half way up lampposts and as bad graffiti on roundabouts etc.

GleisZwei · 25/08/2025 22:32

cardibach · 25/08/2025 20:39

Anyone can fly it on their own property. Tying it to lampposts and graffiti-ing it everywhere, on the other hand…

Does that only apply to England flags then, or all flags someone doesn't approve of? I'd rather see an English flag than more flipping pride flags, if I were to visit England.

ThatCyanCat · 25/08/2025 22:34

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Obviously.

GleisZwei · 25/08/2025 22:37

Sundaymorningcalla · 25/08/2025 21:03

The most intellectual people, typically are not university educated.

Intellectual people may or may not be university educated, and intellect can be measured in many different ways.
That said, I do have definite concerns regarding the decreasing quality of UK education in general.

Ponoka7 · 25/08/2025 22:38

Ilovemychocolate · 25/08/2025 22:24

I think we need to rip them down where they are not appropriate though…it’s about taking a stand against racism…at the moment the flag is being used to denote hatred towards anyone who is not “British”…that’s not what we are as a nation surely??

Some of the crimes that are being committed are taking our society backwards. That isn't being addressed. I've witnessed two tier policing.
The murder, in Holland of the 17 year old girl by a man being 'held' in an asylum centre, after he had sexually assaulted a woman previously and another allegation had been made, has started protests and as we know, these are the grandchildrenof the Christians who refused to give up their Jewish neighbours. There are issues around affordable housing, in this country and as our population grows, it's going to get worse, but not for the middle classes, of course. The lack of healthcare, dentists, the lack of prison places, we can't have issues ignored as they have been. Granted it was the fault of the Conservative government. Communities have suffered too much under austerity and the likes of the bedroom tax. We have been fed lies about why we recruit healthcare staff from overseas. I agree that the enemy are those at the top, but we need sections of society to stop being ignored and listened to. But you all stay in your middle class bubble. I'm second generation immigrant. I mix with people from Ghana, Nigeria and Zimbabwe, the women are terrified that we are letting in the men who they have ran from.

Maray1967 · 25/08/2025 23:26

ElizabethDavid · 25/08/2025 21:22

Ah a Islington luvvie.

Err, no. I’m up north.

Bjorkdidit · 25/08/2025 23:26

Murphs1 · 25/08/2025 22:15

Are some posters being purposely obtuse? There is nothing wrong with flying the English or British flag usually, but I think anyone with an iota of intelligence knows the connotations behind the mass of flags currently being displayed by certain groups and the links to discouraging diversity and inclusion and potentially encouraging racism and intolerance.

Exactly. I wonder how many people who are saying it's for the rugby, or some other innocent or positive reason would be happy if the flags were in their neighbourhood.

The flags on lamposts and vandalisation of white painted surfaces is enitrely the work of thick racists.

ShesTheAlbatross · 25/08/2025 23:40

Bjorkdidit · 25/08/2025 23:26

Exactly. I wonder how many people who are saying it's for the rugby, or some other innocent or positive reason would be happy if the flags were in their neighbourhood.

The flags on lamposts and vandalisation of white painted surfaces is enitrely the work of thick racists.

Yes, football is more popular than rugby in this country and there weren’t this many flags up even for the final of the women’s euros last month. People certainly do not care about women’s rugby to go out festooning lampposts and painting roundabouts.

Also there’d be no need to shout racist abuse at a nearby woman if that was your motive.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn43rxk0gdlo

A row of shops is shown on the ground level with flats spread across the two floors above them, with the red flag of St George painted on the white walls of the homes.

Racist abuse arrest after flags painted on homes in Basildon

A man is arrested after "multiple reports" to police about a video featuring racist language.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn43rxk0gdlo

Vaxtable · 25/08/2025 23:52

Yabu. What you should be doing is educating the far right not to take our flag over. By ripping it down your are insulting the English flag as well

Whatafabulousoaktree · 25/08/2025 23:57

Ilovemychocolate · 25/08/2025 18:46

The sudden appearance of the English flag hung on lamp posts, railings etc has absolutely sickened me, and my dd.
I am proud to be British, but the misappropriation of the flag by thugs, intending to intimidate, is absolutely not acceptable in a diverse society.
So tonight myself and my adult dd ripped them down in our area, and tomorrow we will be going on a flag hunt, to rip down any more we find.
I would strongly urge those of you that feel the same way, to also remove them, as long as you feel safe and comfortable to do it.
Posting in AIBU for traffic.

YABU for saying 'myself and my adult DD'. Would you say 'Myself ripped down flags?'
I don't care that this is not the point of the thread. This usage drives me nuts.

lkjhgfdsa · 26/08/2025 00:08

https://hopenothate.org.uk/2025/08/22/operation-raise-the-colours-organised-by-well-known-far-right-extremists/

Union Jacks and the crosses of St George have begun to appear on lampposts up and down the UK in recent days. Much of the right-wing media has celebrated, with the Daily Mail dubbing those behind it an “army of patriots.”

While there is nothing wrong with flying the nation’s flags, HOPE not hate can reveal that the key organisers behind much of this activism are hardened and extreme far-right activists.

While many instances of flags being raised, or crosses being painted on roundabouts or walls, are being carried out by ordinary people inspired by posts on social media, the main organising force behind the campaign is “Operation Raise the Colours”.

HOPE not hate can reveal that the co-founder and organiser of the group is longtime Stephen Lennon (AKA Tommy Robinson) ally Andrew Currien (AKA Andy Saxon). Formerly a key member of the English Defence League’s leadership bodyguard team, and now running security for the far-right party Britain First, Currien has previously been jailed for his part in a racist death. He was one of six men convicted in 2009 after a 59-year-old man was crushed to death by a car following a violent brawl.

Currien’s X account links to a fundraising page where he is collecting money to “help us purchase new flags so we can continue putting them up”. He has also posted: “In the last 24hrs, we have supplied 6 districts with a thousand flags. These districts include Wolverhampton, West Bromwich, Worcester, Dudley, Stourbridge and Staffordshire.”

Across the country, many of the small groups that have come together to raise the flags are being organised by well-known far-right extremists. The group in Nottingham, for example, is headed by another of Lennon’s associates, Guramit Singh. Having been a key member of EDL from the early days, Singh now runs the Predator Hunter series for Lennon’s media outlet Urban Scoop media. The only break in his longrunning activism came due to a spell in prison after Singh and two accomplices tied up a shop assistant and threatened to slash his throat in an attempted robbery at a hydroponic shop in Hucknall, Notts.

Similarly, the far-right group Britain First claims to have provided many of the flags in the North West. “Britain First has, so far, donated 75% of its flag stock to local teams in Manchester and the West Midlands for ‘Operation Raise The Colours’,” tweeted leader Paul Golding. “Most of the flags in this photo are now on lampposts and bridges in Manchester and Birmingham!”

HOPE not hate can also reveal that football hooligan chat groups have been encouraging their supporters to get involved and numerous ‘firms’ are known to have raised flags in their local areas.

Again, there is nothing wrong with raising the Union Jack or cross of St George. Despite what people claim on social media, it’s not illegal to be proud to be English or British! It’s also true that not everyone who has raised a flag is far right. But the fact that much of this wave of activism is being organised by well-known racists and extremists does raise questions about the motivations behind much of Operation Raise the Colours.

AngeloMysterioso · 26/08/2025 00:22

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LadyWiddiothethird · 26/08/2025 00:29

What a waste of time OP,they will just put them up again.You are fighting a battle that you have already lost.

Netcurtainnelly · 26/08/2025 00:30

Ilovemychocolate · 25/08/2025 18:46

The sudden appearance of the English flag hung on lamp posts, railings etc has absolutely sickened me, and my dd.
I am proud to be British, but the misappropriation of the flag by thugs, intending to intimidate, is absolutely not acceptable in a diverse society.
So tonight myself and my adult dd ripped them down in our area, and tomorrow we will be going on a flag hunt, to rip down any more we find.
I would strongly urge those of you that feel the same way, to also remove them, as long as you feel safe and comfortable to do it.
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You will waste your time as they will be put back up.
Plus if anyone sees you, your likely be confronted, filmed and put on your social media.
Is that what you want for you and your child. Your going looking for trouble.

Netcurtainnelly · 26/08/2025 00:34

Petrolitis · 25/08/2025 18:51

There aren't any by me, but yes I would take them down.

They're a calling card for rascists.

Happy to get into arguments then, because that is what will happen.
Prepared to be filmed are you and talked about on social media. That's what's happening.

Get on with your life and stop looking for trouble. You could end up injured, stressed, filmed all sorts of things.

SomewhatAnnoyed · 26/08/2025 05:28

Dontletthebedbugsbite2 · 25/08/2025 18:52

Why? I'm in Scotland and we have flags everywhere. Are English people not allowed to fly the English flag? Genuinely curious. If you ripped down a flag in another country you could face jail time.

It’s fucking sad that we’re seemingly the only country in the world where flying our flag is seen as racist and the ‘nice’ ppl are offended and ashamed by it. It used to be associations with football hooliganism, but we’re not the only country with twattish thugs. Ppl are still offended when they’re displayed during sporting events at pubs etc. Now it’s being used by racists to demonstrate the increasing surge in asylum seekers and illegal migrants - but other countries racists use theirs in the same way too.

Not EVERY St. George’s cross is a racist emblem though. Racists make up the minority of the country’s population, so why do they get to dictate how our flag is used and seen by ourselves and others?

Context is everything and it’s easy to associate the current wave of flags with the protests, I’m sure the majority are, but the same association persists regardless and not just in the present situation. The ppl who object to seeing the England flag (who are English) would not object to visiting another country and seeing their flags displayed - they’d read it as national pride.

It has been decided that due to acts of men that walked the earth hundreds of years before we were born modern multicultural England is not allowed to have national pride.

Ballykeelover · 26/08/2025 06:53

SomewhatAnnoyed · 26/08/2025 05:28

It’s fucking sad that we’re seemingly the only country in the world where flying our flag is seen as racist and the ‘nice’ ppl are offended and ashamed by it. It used to be associations with football hooliganism, but we’re not the only country with twattish thugs. Ppl are still offended when they’re displayed during sporting events at pubs etc. Now it’s being used by racists to demonstrate the increasing surge in asylum seekers and illegal migrants - but other countries racists use theirs in the same way too.

Not EVERY St. George’s cross is a racist emblem though. Racists make up the minority of the country’s population, so why do they get to dictate how our flag is used and seen by ourselves and others?

Context is everything and it’s easy to associate the current wave of flags with the protests, I’m sure the majority are, but the same association persists regardless and not just in the present situation. The ppl who object to seeing the England flag (who are English) would not object to visiting another country and seeing their flags displayed - they’d read it as national pride.

It has been decided that due to acts of men that walked the earth hundreds of years before we were born modern multicultural England is not allowed to have national pride.

I’m not English.

I hold dual identities.

it’s all about context.

when I see the flags - of both sides - in estates to intimidate I feel no pride. And I would contend that most right thinking people don’t either.

It’s not just England.

You are lucky in England to a degree. There would be a real active danger to life in other places if you took down flags.

pestowithwalnuts · 26/08/2025 06:53

Ilovemychocolate · 25/08/2025 18:46

The sudden appearance of the English flag hung on lamp posts, railings etc has absolutely sickened me, and my dd.
I am proud to be British, but the misappropriation of the flag by thugs, intending to intimidate, is absolutely not acceptable in a diverse society.
So tonight myself and my adult dd ripped them down in our area, and tomorrow we will be going on a flag hunt, to rip down any more we find.
I would strongly urge those of you that feel the same way, to also remove them, as long as you feel safe and comfortable to do it.
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