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To be devasted the roundabout in my town has a crappy 'flag' painted on?

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Liesmorelies · 24/08/2025 21:19

I nearly threw up when I saw it this morning - what a horrible shock.

It's a very small town in the Midlands near a city. Yes it's ex-mining but does reasonable ok now, not deprived eg no contextual offers for my dc for uni, but not massively desirable or trendy. Has a Labour MP now but hasn't always in recent years. Voted for Brexit but only just. In 2019 more people voted against Tories AND Brexit than for them - split the vote so we still got a Tory, but still.

In other words, I did not expect this. It's horrible - looks ugly and badly done even before you get started on the thinking behind it. AIBU to ring the council on Tuesday and ask when they are going to deal with this vandalism?

I did a four hour round-trip on the motorway today too and the amount of flags on bridges was shocking - just make it stop.

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thepariscrimefiles · 25/08/2025 11:52

ImGoingUpstairsToTakeOffMyHat · 25/08/2025 11:30

I’m confused - do you want full names?

The point is nobody should be taking the flags down at all. Its not offensive in any way, it’s a flag.

I live in a town that has permanent Union flag bunting and an England flag flying from our local castle. Is that provocative?

You have no idea why people are putting flags up, you’re making a sloppy assumption.

I also find it quite funny that you’re insisting “nobody is saying you can’t fly flags! Nobody!” while in the same sentence saying “People know the flags will get taken down”. So which is it - are people allowed to do it or not? Who is taking the flags down? The fairies?

Birmingham City Council has been taking them down if they are put on council property. The Council have said that it's fine for people to fly flags on their own properties.

Bathingforest · 25/08/2025 11:52

Bathingforest · 25/08/2025 11:49

You aren't anti racist, you're plain anti English

Or perhaps you are all drooling how pro English you are, getting free health care, free housing, free schooling, free access to multiple services and suddenly you are vomiting when these same people are showing their stance against illegal pedophile type male immigration.

You are honestly correct you should be vomiting and I can see how this is your hatred and cowardice choking you. Good luck to your little coward pettiness my dear

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 25/08/2025 11:53

Fetaface · 25/08/2025 11:39

Nah just asking you a question you cannot answer as no one has said this to you. You think that someone saying there is a racist background to this happening now means nope you cannot do it.

You have not been told you cannot, you were doing a little toddler tantrum about being told what the reasons behind most of it is.

I can ask different questions or the same one you keep dodging - freedom of speech, innit?

Right, that’s me exercising my white privilege on Amazon later today, ordering some flags and being racist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

IlCommissarioMontalbano · 25/08/2025 11:54

MiddleAgeRageMonster · 24/08/2025 21:25

Are you usually so dramatic?

This ^^

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 25/08/2025 11:54

@Bathingforest Why are you quoting yourself, it just looks like you're having a rant about yourself lol

pippapumpkin · 25/08/2025 11:54

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gamerchick · 25/08/2025 11:55

What I want to know is why all these anti English threads are being allowed to stand. We have it all on this thread, fire and brimstone would be raining down in a different context some of these posts are putting out.

Just knock it off for a few days.

Menopausalsourpuss · 25/08/2025 11:55

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 25/08/2025 11:44

"you lefties" why is being against racism seen as a left issue? It's just such a stupid insult.
Plus kind of implies that all the people with right leaning values are racist. Which is also stupid to assume.

Again try reading carefully. I didn't say lefties are the ones I consider non-racist. On the countary I think they tend to sterotype all black and brown people as good and don't differentiate between different countries/regions of the world and cultures - the very definition of racist. It is all about themselves and thinking what a great person they are and looking down on others especially the working classes who they pretend to support. Narcissists.

LivingWithANob · 25/08/2025 11:56

I do quite like seeing all the flags. Prefer the great britain 🇬🇧 over england one 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

smallpinecone · 25/08/2025 11:57

“And if you believe in Christian values, perhaps read the story of the Good Samaritan.”

Jesus also said “by their deeds you shall know them.

The story of the Good Samaritan is not a lesson to be endlessly tolerant, indulgent and forgiving of absolutely indefensible behaviour.

Justthethingsthatyoudointhisgarden · 25/08/2025 11:57

WorriedRelative · 24/08/2025 21:34

Go and paint over it.

Either return it to white or if you feel creative something else entirely

Not that simple - they use reflective paint on mini roundabouts for safety reasons. So they will all have to be repainted properly.

I doubt the idiots doing this give a shit though, because they probably don't pay tax or council tax. If you're that patriotic, fly the flag on your house or garden, or even out of your window.

But we all know this isn't about patriotism.

HerewardtheSleepy · 25/08/2025 11:58

Why is it only in England that to display the national flag means you are a fascist?

I know of no other country in the world where this holds good.

NeustrianPeasant · 25/08/2025 11:58

I’ve just finished off a new flag! Took me ages.

I’m giving it to the man across the street who’s been painting roundabouts with crosses. I know he’s very big on British military history so I’ve gone for a naval/nautical theme, the navy being the Senior Service.

I expect he’ll hang it from his window, along with the Union Jack he’s already got.

Here’s the design (it’s black on white):

W ⚓️

HumanRightsAreHumanRights · 25/08/2025 11:58

So do you want to vomit at the people who threw petrol bombs at Brits who were just hanging up a St George flag?

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 25/08/2025 11:59

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 25/08/2025 11:53

Right, that’s me exercising my white privilege on Amazon later today, ordering some flags and being racist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

I just find it utterly baffling that people still don't seem to understand.
Actually, yes I do as a pp a few posts back said they hadn't bothered to read about Raising The Colours, as they weren't even sure they cared.
That's what it boils down to, isn't it? People actually are racist, or they would rather live in their own little ignorant bubble and not have it popped, it's comfier that way, or they actively want to call it out if they see it or experience it.
If you're "going out to buy flags for white privilege on Amazon" just because a thread on MN said you couldn't (which is a load of crap, no-one's said that) then you're in one of the first two options.
Crack on, it does make you look daft and ignorant though.

OneWarmHazelQuail · 25/08/2025 11:59

Happyher · 25/08/2025 11:50

Many of us feel it’s been hijacked by far right yobs and no longer represents anything to be proud of.

Yes. Completely agree. This is the problem. Its the sentiment behind many of the people using it.

Justthethingsthatyoudointhisgarden · 25/08/2025 12:00

Menopausalsourpuss · 25/08/2025 11:55

Again try reading carefully. I didn't say lefties are the ones I consider non-racist. On the countary I think they tend to sterotype all black and brown people as good and don't differentiate between different countries/regions of the world and cultures - the very definition of racist. It is all about themselves and thinking what a great person they are and looking down on others especially the working classes who they pretend to support. Narcissists.

Fuck me, all lefties are narcissists 😂 Look at you and your incredible critical thinking skills.

Happyher · 25/08/2025 12:00

Trendyname · 25/08/2025 09:43

So you hate your country’s flag bet it reminds you of first aid box? Lack of patriotic feelings in some British people is so unmatched anywhere else in the world. Objectively speaking most flags do not have much aesthetic value but people love their flags because they represent their country and people.

I am patriotic. I love being British and am proud to live in the United Kingdom. I never describe myself as English. Yorkshire woman - yes. Flagshagging has nothing to do with patriotism

quantumbutterfly · 25/08/2025 12:00

Some people see the flag of st George as a big plus.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 25/08/2025 12:01

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 25/08/2025 11:59

I just find it utterly baffling that people still don't seem to understand.
Actually, yes I do as a pp a few posts back said they hadn't bothered to read about Raising The Colours, as they weren't even sure they cared.
That's what it boils down to, isn't it? People actually are racist, or they would rather live in their own little ignorant bubble and not have it popped, it's comfier that way, or they actively want to call it out if they see it or experience it.
If you're "going out to buy flags for white privilege on Amazon" just because a thread on MN said you couldn't (which is a load of crap, no-one's said that) then you're in one of the first two options.
Crack on, it does make you look daft and ignorant though.

Yes that’s what it boils down to, but it’s not the people who you are saying are racist who are the racist ones. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 25/08/2025 12:01

Justthethingsthatyoudointhisgarden · 25/08/2025 11:57

Not that simple - they use reflective paint on mini roundabouts for safety reasons. So they will all have to be repainted properly.

I doubt the idiots doing this give a shit though, because they probably don't pay tax or council tax. If you're that patriotic, fly the flag on your house or garden, or even out of your window.

But we all know this isn't about patriotism.

That's a good point about reflective paint, that hadn't even occurred to me (I don't drive before anyone gets worried 😂) so I bet half the roundabout painters never thought of that either.
Safety hazard.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 25/08/2025 12:02

Bathingforest · 25/08/2025 11:52

Or perhaps you are all drooling how pro English you are, getting free health care, free housing, free schooling, free access to multiple services and suddenly you are vomiting when these same people are showing their stance against illegal pedophile type male immigration.

You are honestly correct you should be vomiting and I can see how this is your hatred and cowardice choking you. Good luck to your little coward pettiness my dear

You do understand all your ‘frees’ are actually paid for by working people who pay their national insurance contributions monthly? 😬

FlowerWrath · 25/08/2025 12:02

For years the state has let regional inequality rise destroying opportunity for millions of people. This has nothing to do with immigration, but is rather a mutiny against the political elites (see also Brexit, AntiVax, Climate change denial) who have benefited so greatly from the current system while the white working class have become the most disadvantaged group in the UK. The state has sown the seeds for these riots long ago and now they are blossoming. The only way to fix this will be long term economic growth accomplished by decentralising power away from London to local areas with a long term plan to fix regional inequalities.

smallpinecone · 25/08/2025 12:04

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I do love our flag. It makes me so proud to see them. I’m going to order some myself.

Fetaface · 25/08/2025 12:04

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 25/08/2025 11:53

Right, that’s me exercising my white privilege on Amazon later today, ordering some flags and being racist 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Ordering the ones made from China not ones made in the UK.

Crack on, nothing stopping you.

Shame you never cared before, right?

I will feel so much safer from the brown rapists now and the white ones will still continue, well done on your good deed making it safe for women and girls.

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