Drag - Fun or Fundamentally Insulting

[hellosumner]

Triggered by the strictly line up thread I wonder how people feel about drag.

YABU - Drag Queens are incredibly witty and talented and they are not insulting women by dressing as an exaggerated version of the female sex. It’s funny and clever.

YANBU - Drag is woman face and any other type of comedy based upon stereotyping a group in an exaggerated manner would be seen as unacceptable.

you argued your point brilliantly! Well done.

How about accentuated body parts in a really oversexualised way? Like fake tits?

https://x.com/RuPaulsDragRace/status/1680642200969834496

BBC! Vile

I don’t need to argue my case. It is utterly ridiculous. No one can do anything anymore without it being offensive. We live in a world of snowflakes.

I have absolutely no problem with drag - these are, in the main, gay guys having fun, and some of them are outstanding (adult) entertainers. I have a huge problem with drag queens in primary schools, or libraries, when the drag in question is often highly sexualised and inappropriate.

How Succinct! 10 out of 10 for critical thinking

You don't need to be rude to someone just because you disagree, that's jerk behaviour.

Anyone who uses the term snowflakes can’t win an argument

How will the Drag Queen be dressed during Strictly, with fake boobs etc? Will they be dressed all glam in the rehearsal room or convert back to what they are, a man? How will they do movie week, will they have double make up/costume, so make up over their Drag Queen costume. Will they always be referred to as ‘she’? Will they always be parodying women?

They didn’t write anything for me to disagree with 🤷🏻‍♀️

Drag in itself is fine. Men and women dressing up as the opposite sex to poke fun at gender stereotypes and to be subversive is funny and usually very clever. I am thinking of Dame Edna, Lily Savage, panto dames and Prince Charmings.

Blokes/Women dressing up and lip syncing t
as a particular person I.e Dolly/Elvis also completely fine., but not particularly entertaining to me- unless I am
performing!

Drag as defined by the drag race I personally find offensive. It is men making fun of women by using often sexualised and offensive stereotypes. There was a drag dude who had a name Anna Bortion which is just foul. They mainly perform for other men like them. I also think RuPaul is a creep and there will be a downfall.

I think these are men appropriating sexism and misogyny for laughs, and project their own victimisation without little empathy for the women they are parodying.

But… I just turn it off and stay away.

I’m not trying to win anything so that’s lucky isn’t it! Thank you for the 10/10 score 😘

Ok, so why be dick?

So you agree with most radfems that wearing dresses, makeup and heels does not make you a woman? I agree.
men can wear whatever they like. It is the mocking stereotypes and “jokes”. Saying good drag queens are “fishy”. Name like Anna abortion or Miss Carriage. Do you think those are ok?

Why do people pretend that women routinely dress up as men to “poke fun at gender stereotypes”? And that a man calling himself Cheryl Hole is “poking fun”…..?

I think they do it it show they recognise that drag started at a time when women had very little freedom, and the performers were making fun of that, which is very difference to boorish untalented men who chose to punch down with names like Cheryl Hole.

Fucking hell.

That is EXACTLY why drag is offensive to women and obscene. Ru Paul is an absolute cunt to be posting shit like that.

Big tits, over sexualisation and a ton of make up are typical “traits” of a certain stereotypical view of women.

I actually have a slightly different take. Drag was a means of expression for men when flamboyance in males was not permitted,and homosexuality was illegal , and yes there has always been an undertone of envy in drag. But nowadays I don’t see the point of drag when anyone can dress how they please now. The same social restrictions no longer apply and so drag is irrelevant.

Like so many things, drag has been ruined by the trans rights movement. Used to respect it but longer keen!

It seems like the crux of the issue with drag is that it’s supported and even lauded when equivalently offensive stereotypes of other groups who experience aggression/negativity is made absolutely off the cards by the very same people cheering for drag.

If there was more equivalence, I doubt there’d be so much bad feeling about drag, because the accepted standard would either be that both are wrong, or it’s ok to stereotype different groups of people if it’s in the service of comedy - so, a ‘fairer’ playing field where it’s not more acceptable to mock one group with a protected characteristic than others.

Personally I find drag’s caricatures of women distasteful, but I’d rather live in a world where people were allowed to play around with all stereotypes and rise or fall based on how cleverly/thoughtfully they use them, than one where doing so is restricted.

How far do we think a woman would get if she stuffed a pillow up her top, pulled a bald cap on, constantly scratched her nuts and talked about how many women she got pregnant and left in a state of financial peril? If you reverse the idea and had women doing all the worst things men do they'd be hounded and have their lives threatened.

I’d like to see that 😄
I do take the serious point though.

And talked about cheesy knobs and the audience regarded it as talent!

but in reality it still wouldn’t be the same because women are not the aggressors.
The very fact it doesn’t translate in reverse is the reason it’s misogynistic.

It's more that if a woman dares to point out male faults in public they are likely to be physically threatened by multiple men with small egos. They'd be in fear for their lives and their families. Women just put up with it and roll our eyes but young lads see this and get all the stereotypes we've dropped because they perpetuate misogyny. We all know "It's just bants" doesn't encapsulate cheesy knobs, small knobs, shitty farting cars driven by steroid using lunatics, mass impregnators or child maintenance dodgers. Much as I would love to do a skit on why NHS now have a vaccine against gonorrhea rather than funding to help PCOS or endo while 800 babies die every year because of maternity care, it will never happen.