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To think a lot of people earning 6 figures aren’t actually that smart, just lucky?

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SnarkyDenimFox · 20/08/2025 11:13

I’ve met plenty of high earners and honestly, a lot of them don’t seem any sharper than the rest of us. Right place, right time, right connections. AIBU to think it’s often luck, not talent?

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teksquad · 20/08/2025 11:47

ishimbob · 20/08/2025 11:39

I think a lot of it is also about wanting it.

I always wanted to progress in my career. My family is important to me too and I do have a balance but it has never occurred to me to restrict my work to termtime only 10-2 or whatever, I am totally comfortable using childcare which some women are clearly not

This was me too. Have always worked fulltime apart from 4 x 1y maternity leaves. Not saying it was easy and I worked ridiculously hard up until recently, up into the early hours doing housework, getting school bags ready etc. Fairly easy 6 fig role in early fifties is the payoff I suppose.

HauntedHero · 20/08/2025 11:47

I don't think there's any one reason, it very much depends on the industry.

I work in IT as a developer and earn 6 figures and it requires a certain kind of intelligence which I am fortunate to possess so in that respect it's luck. But you absolutely can't get here just with the gift of the gab or the right connections. I'm sure there are other industries where that differs.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 20/08/2025 11:48

One really big earner I know well (£5m a year at one point, as stated in a newspaper article - not the DM or any tabloid!) did initially owe his first job in the area to a relative of a GF at the time. But to be fair, he was evidently extremely good at his job, which was certainly not megabucks at first.

poppedup · 20/08/2025 11:49

I agree with this a lot. It’s the right place at the right time and a certain level of intelligence that probably those on much lower salaries also match up to.
What I would say though is a high salary shows a significant amount of sacrifice in their lives, probably to the detriment of relationships at home. But that’s just my opinion!

Goldenbear · 20/08/2025 11:49

Surely, it wholly depends upon the sector you work in. I have definitely met some emotionally unintelligent people on six figure salaries. I also know someone who is charming, naturally gifted when it comes to working with figures, didn't go to uni and is on six figures due to this innate intelligence.

Icanttakethisanymore · 20/08/2025 11:49

SnarkyDenimFox · 20/08/2025 11:24

I don’t think it’s just about one industry, I’ve seen it across different fields. Some people climb because of real skill, others because of timing or who they know. I’m just questioning whether we overestimate ‘talent’ when luck plays such a big role.

Luck isn't very quantifiable (neither is skill in many cases) so I guess you would struggle to work it out either way.

RavenPie · 20/08/2025 11:49

My DB is a very high earner and he is not smarter than me (he earns around 5x my salary). He is hardworking and focussed and logical. He had a career path marked out in childhood and stuck to it whereas I’ve drifted about a lot, he has self studied and self funded lots of post grad courses and professional qualifications and he moves companies a lot for promotions or experience. He’s very professional and seems competent. He’s made his own luck and while he’s clever enough, he isn’t exceptionally bright at all. His wife’s career has taken a hit supporting him too. I did an extra qualification last year that should have lead to an up banding in my NHS clinical role but they have decided not to bother paying me for it so I have stepped back from doing it. This wouldn’t happen to him - he would either be much better at negotiating a higher band at the current trust or he would move to another one. I’m thinking I work in a lovely team, my commute is easy, the parking is good, I enjoy my work, he would think, they need to recognise my contribution or I will find someone who will and move across the country to get it.

Pinky1256 · 20/08/2025 11:50

The super high earners I've met definitely deserve the money, at last most of them. Not that they are genius but their personalities are great and most importantly they all have high emotional intelligence.

HotCrossBunplease · 20/08/2025 11:51

theresnolimits · 20/08/2025 11:30

Because I followed my passion and became a teacher. Actually as a member of SMT I didn’t earn badly and I have a great pension but someone asked about six figures so …

That fits in with my first comment, thanks for clarifying. It’s easy to earn well if (like me) you are comfortable doing something that is ostensibly boring and more about profit than people!

nearlylovemyusername · 20/08/2025 11:51

MidnightPatrol · 20/08/2025 11:37

I think a lot of people misunderstand what the skills are that get people into these roles - and why they are paid more.

Look, there is always some element of ‘luck’. But actually I think it’s down to making lots of decisions which propel you in the right direction - and, usually choosing a job in a high-paying industry and then being very committed to it and seeking out progression and promotion.

Are these people smarter than you? Not necessarily.

Have they made particular moves and got particular skills to make more money? Well… yes. And usually at this level if not performing… they’ll be out of a job pretty quickly.

I’d also say - much of the time these are going to be knowledge based roles. So while the people you meet may seem otherwise normal, they will have an encyclopaedic knowledge of something which can then be sold as a premium service for money. Be that as a doctor, a lawyer, a recruiter, a plumber - they’re the best at that one particular thing, and they can command money for that because people are willing to pay for it.

Thats not ‘luck’, they’ll have worked hard to gain that knowledge, and as mentioned above probably have the EQ to sell those skills to other people.

Are these people smarter than you? Not necessarily.

Well, if they made all these decisions and you didn't then they probably are smarter. Otherwise what is intelligence? being great at sudoku?

Teaandtoastandhoney · 20/08/2025 11:52

I think it’s not necessarily about intelligence but the ability to cope well with pressure as well as being able to work long hours and keep your head down.

I struggle to not get involved with office gossip/moaning so I’d be unlikely to ever be a high earner!

Goldenbear · 20/08/2025 11:52

I regularly see this dog walker/neighbour that runs, cycles, walks dog all times of day, one day we were discussing work and he said to me that he is an a niche area of IT so once the work is done the day is his hence all the time for the outdoor activities. He happens to be nice but I don't think it would make any difference to his salary. I'm guessing he's on six figures as he lives in the big house around the block!

bumbaloo · 20/08/2025 11:52

I think one thing that suggests to me that someone isn’t likely smart enough to earn 6 figures, is when they think something ridiculous like stating ‘a lot’ of people’ just got lucky when obviously there are a whole bunch of reasons why someone earns more than most people and for the vast majority it will be some combination of hard work and applying the right sort of effort.

Most people earning more than most people aren’t doing so out of luck. Some will. Like Prince William. Pure luck of birth. Hard working or lazy arse, he has an idiot proof job. He can’t get fired.

For most people it’s not that simple. Luck may be involved but it’s highly unlikely to be the main reason

arcticpandas · 20/08/2025 11:53

theresnolimits · 20/08/2025 11:25

DH and two sons all in six figures. What do they have in common? Certainly not connections. They are all smart (great exam results and degrees), they are personable and they work bloody hard. They also chose degree subjects wisely and went into jobs that suited their talents and had potential for good pay.

Follow that formula and you greatly increase your potential to earn well.

They also chose degree subjects wisely and went into jobs that suited their talents and had potential for good pay.

Well, who helped them chose degree subjects so wisely? And what subjects were they? I would think it's more to do with what you do after U that matters🤷‍♀️

HauntedHero · 20/08/2025 11:53

As for right place, right time. I spent 4 years working away from home Monday to Friday to further my career. I had to go looking for opportunities, they didn't come to me.

I also didn't do the right degree and didn't really start on this career path until late 20s

CrimsonGlaze · 20/08/2025 11:54

WitchesofPainswick · 20/08/2025 11:14

I think it's more about personality actually. The high earners I know are very non-judgmental (in public anyway) and so are widely liked and respected. They also seem to know when to STFU.

On the other hand, I am shit at these things.

I know quite a few people who earn that amount and I think only one of them has any personality to speak of.

nearlylovemyusername · 20/08/2025 11:54

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Assume you aren't a high earner yourself? hard work might not get you to the top, but you definitely won't get there without.

Alternative is what my first boss said to me when I was grad: "you shouldn't work hard, you should work smart". Thirty years later and I'm still very grateful to him and teach my DC the same

Idrinklotsofcoffee · 20/08/2025 11:55

It definitely depends on the industry. I work in construction and honestly, I've met loads of project managers, QSs and architects who are pretty awful but still get paid really well.

That said, I'd agree with what others have said - the really senior people tend to be genuinely impressive. Not necessarily the smartest technically, but they've got that way about them, you know? They're good in a crisis, likeable, and know how to manage people, whether it's winning work or just navigating all the difficult conversations that come up.

I can usually spot early on which graduates or young people will make it to the top. They just have this ease - comfortable talking to anyone from site workers to directors, seem to know instinctively how to handle tricky situations.

I joined the industry really young without any further education and got 'lucky' because I knew when to work hard. But looking back after twenty years, I definitely had massive pretty privilege. Now I'm older, I can see why all these blokes were so keen to help out the young, attractive woman. I was completely oblivious at the time!

So yeah, there's definitely luck involved - sometimes in ways you don't even realise until much later. But the people who really make it long-term usually have that something extra beyond just being in the right place at the right time.

Sunaquarius · 20/08/2025 11:55

I imagine it will be down to a lot of things, intelligence, work ethic, luck, opportunities, wealth, personality, confidence, the industry you choose.

Goldenbear · 20/08/2025 11:57

nearlylovemyusername · 20/08/2025 11:54

Assume you aren't a high earner yourself? hard work might not get you to the top, but you definitely won't get there without.

Alternative is what my first boss said to me when I was grad: "you shouldn't work hard, you should work smart". Thirty years later and I'm still very grateful to him and teach my DC the same

Many people get told the, 'work smart' thing, my DH came home with that nugget, what does it mean?

Cutleryclaire · 20/08/2025 11:57

I think a lot of it is communication and common sense. I don’t think I’m exceptionally bright but I do make things happen.

e.g if someone asks me three questions in an email, I’ll give a concise response to all three. So many people rush and answer one, which stalls things on the other two.

I always anticipate what someone will ask next and have the answer ready. I’m shocked by how few people do this. It then delays things as they then go and find out what’s now needed.

ishimbob · 20/08/2025 12:01

teksquad · 20/08/2025 11:47

This was me too. Have always worked fulltime apart from 4 x 1y maternity leaves. Not saying it was easy and I worked ridiculously hard up until recently, up into the early hours doing housework, getting school bags ready etc. Fairly easy 6 fig role in early fifties is the payoff I suppose.

Yep. I am in my 40s, have a job which is intellectually challenging but now 6 figures with a PA to manage my admin, can flex my diary around my kids as well. But I did work very hard when they were babies - took a particular stressful 60 hr a week project when they were 3 and 1 for example, which I suspect many other women wouldn't have done

Rallentanda · 20/08/2025 12:01

We are really bad at assessing people's intelligence.

I think we all want people to be of around the same intelligence level as us, if they're doing well (and far less bright, if they're not). Whereas high earners are probably a lot brighter or more focused or blessed with some sort of niche genius or able to use their hyper focus if ND...they are not really on the same level.

ThisAquaWriter · 20/08/2025 12:03

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LBFseBrom · 20/08/2025 12:05

I wouldn't know, some are, some aren't. Does it matter? It hardly affects me, if I knew about it i'd just think jolly good for them.

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