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Wondering what do next…Starting to think divorce may be only hope? Please be kind 😔

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EnthusiasticButterfly · 19/08/2025 06:57

So …My partner is the main bread winner (yes I know - first mistake 🤦🏻‍♀️), we have been living separate lives for a while with no relationship at the core of the marriage; separate rooms (his decision), left blaming me - saying I was causing tension and friction and he couldn’t sleep next to me. (I was trying to bring up daily challenges/usual stuff, so we could work on together). We had a 8, 6 and a 2 year old at the time. Only saw him in evenings after work and after he’d spent time with kids. He literally was like “don’t bring up stressful stuff to me”.

Anyway…He was always cold in the sense, not cuddling in bed etc.

He’s absent a lot, regularly going on holiday with friends without kids and I (3 - 4 times per year with his hobbies - skiing, sailing, Kitesurfing - long Wkends, 3 -5 days). Says he spends very little on these due to contacts with resources, free places to stay etc…

I don’t have access to resources like this, so other than a family ski holiday with kids once a year to an apartment his parents own - I have only been on a holiday as a family
2 times in 10 years. (I don’t actually ski, I can only snowboard so it’s hard to all ski together and I find it scary so am not keen to go anymore, I’m 45 now, don’t bounce like I did in my 20’s).

Lately he’s been saying the family holidays we do that are not skiing, are too expensive (less than 5K) and we can’t do anymore or they’ll have to be cheaper…camping etc. Camping with him is so difficult, he’s quite messy - and doesn’t clean up after himself. He won’t allow us to use proper beds, has to be blow up mattresses on the floor etc. Has to be the one to choose the location/campsite.

He’s incredibly achievement focused with the kids, we have 3 ages 15, 13 and 9. The 15 year old is in private school, the fees have unfortunately gone up and up since we started, (he’s been resentful of that - blaming the school), our eldest loves her school and yet he’s never go a good word to say about it or her achievement within it. She’s really come out of her shell. She was very shy and academically struggling when she started - she’s absolutely excelling now.

He has said if she gets grammar school results we need to come out of the private school - and go to a grammar for her A-levels. Even though she’s striving there.

Our son is already in a grammar, he’s the most favoured, always getting the attention, accolades, and praise. The girls actually tell me they know - he’s Dads favourite as he’s most like him. Mu husband was the “Golden boy” of his family.

Our youngest daughter is really struggling, is probably ADHD and dyslexic, would benefit greatly from the input of a smaller class room, class sizes etc of a private school, not even the same one. Somewhere cheaper if possible.

However he’s saying he wants to retire (he’s 53), not prepared to fund remaining private school and subsequent university.

I’ve been a stay and home mum for
15 years as we live remotely, the kids are in 3 different schools, spread out in ages with different emotional needs. I pick up all day to day logistics, school responsibilities all household requirements and chores Monday to Friday. No family around to support/help.

I made the decision to be a SAHM due to the amount of travel and just general time commitment of his role (subsequent roles - there have been several very stressful redundancies), he leaves at 7 and isn’t home until 8:30pm most evenings and has always had an attitude of that being non negotiable. Sometimes there is additional socialising after work also.

Part of the reason I ended up being a SAHM was because our kids had quite high needs, my eldest has possible dyspraxia, they knew me by name at A&E as she was always falling over and hurting something, including plastic surgery after a very bad fall down some stairs at 3 years old. My 2nd born only 2 years after my first was in & out of hospital in the first year with low weight gain, feeding problems, and then issues with low immune tolerance. Our surprise baby 3rd, had suspected meningitis at 3 months old and was in & out of hospital for that 1st year. So that brings us to 2018. By which time I was enduring symptoms of chronic fatigue.

…I was thinking about how to get back to work and did my 1st proper job at start of 2020 when youngest was due to start school. However by the March we were all in “lock down” and I was home schooling.

I won’t go into that, other than to say - I have folders of work that I did with the kids, who were then - 9, 7 and 4. They played, did lots of art and baking. They have fond memories of it.

..(He worked pretty much non stop, 12 - 16 hour days. Spent any time outside of that, with the kids). It wasn’t an easy time and I realised then we were probably not in a good place, he had not one word of gratitude or empathy re the once-in-a-lifetime event that was homeschooling 3 children. Yes I did have gratitude and empathy for him having to WFH during Covid.

Anyway I now do some work freelance around the kids but it’s low paid and difficult as I’ve also be in charge of organising contractors to slowly renovate 15th century cottage we bought 10 years ago (his choice, I literally told him not to buy it). It’s needed a lot of work and I’ve been organising that over the 10 years whilst raising a young family.

At weekends he will help, with the dishwasher, does some cooking and splits some of the driving logistics with me. He is mostly in the garden however - doing hedges. He will do no maintenance whatsoever on the cottage, hates DIY, I have to do everything or organise a contractor to do it. I’ve not hidden my annoyance well here as I do not understand why someone with no interest in DIY bought such a high maintenance house to then complain about every cost.

However I am often on the receiving end off a barrage of texts about how selfish, controlling, toxic I am for x, y, z. Usually about how he feels ‘left out of plans’, ‘not consulted’ - over weekend plans, e.g. if one of my parents are visiting (actually very rare) and they offer to take kids & I out for a meal & I don’t ask him 1st (usually cause he’s not here and it won’t impact him).

Anyway I’ve caught him lieing several times; small things but it’s lead to an un easy feeling - about saying friends have ‘invited him out for drinks’, when it’s actually been him organising - the wives of friends have flagged it up to me.
Recently he said he hadn’t seen a friend since Jan/Feb when he’d actually seen them 2 weeks ago for drinks in a different city. His entire social life revolves around drinking, on the holidays with friends it’s all about drinking. Evenings out with friends, it’s all about drinking…That is frequent and fairly consistent.

Over the last 5 years he’s become more and more resentful that I don’t earn a bigger income, blaming me saying I’m the reason the kids aren’t going to private school, saying if I want our youngest go to private school I’ll have to fund it. He says it’s been my choice not to ‘work’. However I don’t see how round running a household alone (every chore), the 3 kids in the 3 different schools, all their after school clubs etc, I could have made it work. I’m up at 6 when he is to start household chores, washing, dishwasher etc, I’m on the go all day, only sitting down to schedule appointments for kids/diary management/admin etc, then school pick ups start and all after school clubs, I’m on the road until 7/8:30pm every night with kids after school clubs (and I teach yoga & Pilates classes when I can around that during the day).

I usually have about 3 hours a day spare after running house and kids lives and I “work” then, class planning, social media, etc (I’m a yoga teacher). A relative paid for my training to become a fitness teacher a few years ago, as I didn’t feel I could ask him at all

This has become a nightmare I feel I can’t get out of. Believe it or not i actually had a good career before kids and I had some hope of going back, we were living in a commuter town 10 years ago and I had an nanny lined up and a network and was ready to go.

Then he moved us out here (remote country house), saying he hated the commuter town, didn’t want any of the houses. We were up against a deadline with a rental agreement at the time. I had a baby that was 1 year old and I just did not realise how isolated I’d be out here and how I’d slip into this world of being a full time mum to 3 kids (we had a surprise baby the year after we moved here), driving everyone everywhere with no help and a husband that has been “busy” and openly resentful/hostile.

I’ve so many times over the years said the location is killing any hope of me having a sustainable career, the kids need lifts everywhere, i do an average of 15 - 20 hours driving a week. The house renovations are a part time job in themselves…he takes no part in them.

He just says we can’t afford to move, because of my low income, which I don’t understand. Anyway feeling very trapped. Not really sure what I’m asking …I’m
Probably starting to think about divorce - an I being unreasonable? I know I’ve been stupid and pretty bonkers becoming this dependent. I feel like I’ve woken up and realised I’ve drifted out to sea. …What is land how do I get there? Am I going mad?? Help.
…What is normal? If reading still reading - thanks. 🙏

FYI…I set up some marriage counselling after he finally agreed to go after years of asking. She’s politely declined to agree to support us. We are now just doing some private sessions together (counsellor & I)…which is a bit unusual. I asked and she agreed.

He says I’m the problem, I don’t want to heal, I’m controlling, hostile, etc… i just feel paralysed by the bizarreness of it all!!

I guess the reality of my situation is dawning and I’m wondering if it’s as bad as it seems…

OP posts:
Midnights68 · 19/08/2025 12:10

I think this happens quite a lot. Men who enjoy having a (usually younger) SAHW while it benefits them, and build their lives around it - then they get fed up with work and want to retire early or whatever, and fail to realise that their wife won’t be able to step back into the workforce where she left off 15 years ago.

CoffeeBeansGalore · 19/08/2025 12:14

Get the house valued & concentrate on necessary projects that will make it saleable. He's out of the house long enough that he doesn't need to know yet.

Switcher · 19/08/2025 12:25

He is deeply insecure and clearly not that well liked at work either. It's really very unlucky indeed to be made redundant multiple times, and implies poor self perception. People with high self perception and self confidence tend to avoid the traps that lead to redundancy (ambitious projects, overextending responsibility, blaming others, rigid thought patterns).
He will deliberately look to ruin you all if you leave, because he cannot deal with his own problems. You have to get away, the question is when...

Rallentanda · 19/08/2025 12:26

CoffeeBeansGalore · 19/08/2025 12:14

Get the house valued & concentrate on necessary projects that will make it saleable. He's out of the house long enough that he doesn't need to know yet.

This is good practical advice.

I think what's coming is a lot of change, and a few unknowns. Meanwhile you have a status quo that is pretty awful, except by the sounds of it financially.

He sounds like an incredibly detached and resentful person, perhaps a little volatile? As you detach he is likely to show this side more, so be prepared.

jeaux90 · 19/08/2025 12:43

Divorce before the dysfunctional relationship that is your marriage gets normalised by your children and they grow up expecting to treat/be treated the same way.

If you make a move now you can also go for a financial split or maintenance that might help your youngest go to a small private school with the class sizes she needs.

Whilst I am a bit cross with you for giving up your career (I’ve been a lone parent for 15 years and work full time) He purposely isolated you by making you move out to a rural location and tying you into being that SAHM.

And OP, I can tell you life is way more peaceful without that kind of punitive,
self centred asshole in it.

arcticpandas · 19/08/2025 12:51

I feel for you @EnthusiasticButterfly . Sahm here as well but my DH would never go on holidays without his whole family. I have even suggested he takes a week on his own because he's always so stressed but he says that it wouldn't make sense if we're not there.
He does go out to see friends/cinema in the evening fairly often. But I'm tired in the evening and really want to stay at home and he always asks me if it's OK first.

So I think your DH is a real asshole. Divorce him but plan every move first. He's not your friend and he can't love you treating you this badly.

Shewasafaireh · 19/08/2025 12:56

8:30 at home every day? I smell a cinq à sept.

Divorce, reorganise so that everyone starts pulling their weight, find a life for yourself because you’re a person too and you shouldn’t have to live drowned in the needs of everyone else.

Reason 9277292921 why I still maintain becoming a SAHP is a bad idea and a gigantic personal risk for us women.

EnthusiasticButterfly · 19/08/2025 13:33

jeaux90 · 19/08/2025 12:43

Divorce before the dysfunctional relationship that is your marriage gets normalised by your children and they grow up expecting to treat/be treated the same way.

If you make a move now you can also go for a financial split or maintenance that might help your youngest go to a small private school with the class sizes she needs.

Whilst I am a bit cross with you for giving up your career (I’ve been a lone parent for 15 years and work full time) He purposely isolated you by making you move out to a rural location and tying you into being that SAHM.

And OP, I can tell you life is way more peaceful without that kind of punitive,
self centred asshole in it.

Yes and tbh, I’m cross with myself…I would never let my girls become this financially vulnerable. Now I know what I know…”hindsight”!!

I’m so hurt but I know I have to buck up. I had a nanny lined up, after number 2…Had us in a commuter town so I could get back to work and then slowly over time just became more and more isolated and with less and less help/support.

Thanks 🙏 - I really appreciate all the views and suggestions. I’ve been sort of spinning 😵‍💫 in this for a while.

OP posts:
charlieandthechocolatfactory · 19/08/2025 13:37

V abusive man

EnthusiasticButterfly · 19/08/2025 13:45

Shewasafaireh · 19/08/2025 12:56

8:30 at home every day? I smell a cinq à sept.

Divorce, reorganise so that everyone starts pulling their weight, find a life for yourself because you’re a person too and you shouldn’t have to live drowned in the needs of everyone else.

Reason 9277292921 why I still maintain becoming a SAHP is a bad idea and a gigantic personal risk for us women.

Yes I’ve also come to realise this!
..The hard way 🫣🤦🏻‍♀️

It was never intentional, circumstances sort of led that way, however had I ever foreseen this, my decisions, mindset, path would have been so different!!

We live & learn I guess.

OP posts:
EnthusiasticButterfly · 19/08/2025 13:54

Yes I have to be honest, I’ve been wondering myself about all the redundancies, doesn’t make sense and doesn’t add up. Unless you are just extremely challenging and difficult to work with. He claims obviously; all bad luck and the industry he’s in being brutal, and cut-throat. Don’t know…I’m in the dark tbh.

OP posts:
GabriellaMontez · 19/08/2025 14:02

What you've posted about his holidays without you is absolutely awful.

Disrespectful, controlling, mean.

For that alone... leave him.

Idontknowhatnametochoose · 19/08/2025 14:02

He sounds like a narcissist.

I would make plans to leave. But don't tell him.

dizzydizzydizzy · 19/08/2025 14:05

It sounds like domestic abuse (him abusing you) to me, especially as he is essentially accusing you of that.

Talk to your GP or contact Women's Aid or ideally both.

I was in an abusive relationship and it was actually my GP who pointed it out. She was very kind and helpful. I

When you say you have chronic fatigue, do you mean you have chronic fatigue syndrome ( aka ME) or do you mean you are constantly tired. I actually have ME/CFS and the stress of domestic abuse and undiagnosed autism and ADHD were probably the main factors in becoming ill.

TheSandgroper · 19/08/2025 14:07

Have you ever googled your husband, made a fake account in LinkedIn or anything?

Nothing ventured and all that.

dizzydizzydizzy · 19/08/2025 14:07

I meant to say also that I am so sorry to hear you are going through all that.

The constant lads holidays are outrageous.

Trickedbyadoughnut · 19/08/2025 14:10

Honestly, I think with the cracking down even further on spending on family holidays and private school, plus taking the kids away without you, separate rooms etc., twisting the narrative to you being unreasonable/controlling/a freeloader ... frankly, to me, he is lining up to leave you.

Quite probably he has the OW already.

Don't get caught on the hop. He will screw you over financially in any way you can.

You need to spend all the time you possibly can on researching what money he has, where it is, what information you need, taking copies of anything and everything you can finance-wise, researching your entitlements and carrying on with the counselling to come to terms with the financial and emotional abuse. See if a family member can help you with legal costs (to be paid back on divorce) and consult a really on the ball family solicitor.

Whatever you do, do not let on that you are gathering financial information. If he gets a sniff of what you're doing, all the money will disappear in a puff of smoke. Don't let him find this thread.

Good luck

BuckChuckets · 19/08/2025 14:13

Unfortunately your kids are already suffering, and I think you can see that. The process of separating will be hard and unpleasant, I'm sure, but your lives will be so much better in the long run.

Pluvia · 19/08/2025 14:23

You sound as if you've undergone boiled frog syndrome, OP. Look it up if you don't know what that is. Your husband sounds coercive and controlling. Do you think that's what the counsellor observed when you went for counselling?

What I'd love to know is where your family is in all this. Brothers, sisters, parents? What do they think about your situation? What have they observed, what support can they offer? Friends, too. Through the part-time work you've been doing, through the school — you have friends, surely? You've got three children at school all day and a partner (are you actually married or not?) who is out of the house for 14 hours a day. What do you do with your time?

You might want to do some research on coercive controlling relationships and see whether you recognise what's going on from other women's experiences.

arcticpandas · 19/08/2025 14:32

EnthusiasticButterfly · 19/08/2025 13:45

Yes I’ve also come to realise this!
..The hard way 🫣🤦🏻‍♀️

It was never intentional, circumstances sort of led that way, however had I ever foreseen this, my decisions, mindset, path would have been so different!!

We live & learn I guess.

Don't beat yourself up. There are many familles that this works for. You made a joint decision in the interest of your children just as me and my DH did. The only reason you're in a vulnerable situation is not because you're a sahm but because you're DH is a vile man. I don't know how he justifies going on holiday by himself or just taking a child and not you. And all the meanness, the gaslightning. And also- what is his family saying? My Mil would be furious if my DH treated me/his children like that. It's not like he can hide who goes on holiday and who is not. He seems extremely selfish, no selfish is not enough : narcissistic. And his treatment of you is just awful. And the children see this so you don't want to model that this is what a relationship should be like.

Start digging and save evidence of everything financial. Talk to a solicitor. You can not go on like this, you must feel like you've lost yourself because he's been digging all your confidence out.

Can any posters orient OP to an association that deals with domestic abuse? Because it is abuse: emotional and financial. I just hate his guts without ever having met him. In a couple of years I hope you will be in a better place OP 🌻

Rallentanda · 19/08/2025 14:45

You'd never get an answer out of him, but it would be worth looking into why he has been made redundant so often. It happened to someone I know and it was because her husband was abusive to colleagues amongst other things.

It might not be anything like that, it might be that he's last-in-first-out or not very good at his line of work, or even that it's a volatile/exploitative industry, whatever he does. On the other hand it's all useful information and if he was being fired because of abusiveness towards others then that could at some point prove valuable information.

LinkedIn snooping under a pseudonym, would that work? Do you have any contacts you could ask, confidentially? Everyone talks, so even someone three jobs ago will have heard something.

Another thing to consider is his anger about spending. Could it be that there is no spare money because he's not built up his salary in one job? Do you have access to a joint bank account or savings accounts?

Luckyingame · 19/08/2025 14:47

Yes, of course divorce, you might get a good settlement and the freedom will be worth it.
Good advice from others.
However, (I'm a woman), if I was financing a five member family by myself, I wouldn't want the "other stressful stuff" either, in fact I would never do what he does.
But yes, divorce if possible.

BigCity · 19/08/2025 15:03

Moving to a rural location and having more babies is a classic coercive control move. I’m not saying this is what happened but it fits an abusers pattern to trap someone.

One option is to move out, take the dc and rent and claim UC. You can do this while a house is sold as part of divorce as it won’t count as capital until then. You can claim Child maintenance (assuming he stays in work). Leave him to sort out the ancient house and get it suitable to sell or buy you out. You can use online benefit and cm calculators to work out what you would get financially. Technically you may be liable if named on mortgage but it sounds like he can cover bills solo.

If your child qualifies for DLA apply.

Once you are settled you can increase your work and reduce your reliance on benefits. Live near schools where dc can be independent.

It doesn’t sound like a scenario where he will be reasonable it’s probably better for you just to make plans and then tell him.

I think you will find it easier to rebuild away from him and where you don’t have to be a project manager / chauffeur / be around him.

The dc will be fine if you are happy. You may have to rent a small place / share rooms for a while.

Financially you will get a better deal while you have dependent children so it’s better for you to divorce before he retires or dc are 18.

Shewasafaireh · 19/08/2025 15:06

EnthusiasticButterfly · 19/08/2025 13:45

Yes I’ve also come to realise this!
..The hard way 🫣🤦🏻‍♀️

It was never intentional, circumstances sort of led that way, however had I ever foreseen this, my decisions, mindset, path would have been so different!!

We live & learn I guess.

Absolutely, I wasn’t trying to blame you in any way, I’m sorry if it came across like that.

What I mean is that we tend to do it in favour of the household and then constantly get chewed up by it.

CreationNat1on · 19/08/2025 15:10

Any industry where there has been streamlining and mergers will have many redundancies. The banking and insurance sectors are examples. The redundancies might simply be the industry.

He sounds like a entitled know it all, but posters can fly off the handle on here too.

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