Am I getting old or is the world becoming more inconsiderate?

[GeorgeA12]

Just been on holiday in UK desperately trying to relax from busy year. I just found people being so inconsiderate to their fellow human beings, was struggling to tolerate it all. Some examples:

1. Person on the train talking loudly on the phone about her upcoming party. The rest of the people in the carriage pretty silent. Why couldn't she know how disruptive she was?

1. I was kayaking in the sea. I kid you not, a person comes into the sea talking loudly making a video call for ten minutes.

1. A family trying to make their kid go in the sea. The kid was screaming, not wanting to go in the sea. Went on for twenty mins. Was awful to hear.

1. Took a bus ride. Walked towards the back of the bus and their is an aggressive looking dog sitting on a seat!

1. Another bus ride and someone talking loudly about their friends shitting habits for all to hear.

1. Took my mum out for a nice meal to a restaurant. Half way through the meal a family comes in with a dog. The restaurant is now dog friendly apparently. Sorry I don't want to eat my meal with a dog nearby without being told first.

1. Another cafe. Three dogs in one person letting one of their dogs paw on the seats.

1. Having a meal in a pub with my daughter. Parents letting their kids use their phones to watch videos for all to hear. Had to move.

1. Coming home on the train. Someone playing radio 2 loudly on their phone speakers. Why not wear headphones, I dont want to listen to someone else's noise.

I'm getting to the point where I wish I was born in the early1900s, to avoid all the stress technology brings. I'm 50, just want peace and consideration is it to much to ask from others when out in public? Or am I just not used to how the world operates now?

Yesterday. Leaving a car park. Tesla driver trying to get in, not enough room for both of us. would have been easy for her to stop and wait so I could pull around her. But no, she drove straight at me forcing me to reverse to allow her in. Just plain rude.

It's all main character syndrome and anyone they encounter is just a walk on, with no right to get in their way.

@Marianwallace I had similar. I had to ask the waitress to tell family to turn their iPad down in a restaurant last year.

I also had it with a family member too. Got shitty with me over a special dinner cause I asked them to turn their daughters phone down whilst having a meal. I can't remember the last time I went out without some issue.

There's no such thing as quiet anymore. It's a very noisy country at all times. If it's not phone conversations, it's music being blaring out from phones, tiktok videos, barking dogs, screaming kids or just generally loud people. You can't even go to a coffee shop without having to listen to the phone call of someone at the next table. On a train carriage it's pretty much guaranteed.

Noise is part of life, of course it is, but it's impossible to find quiet anymore in public unless you're totally remote. And there's nothing wrong with people chatting normally either with each other, it's the constant irritant from technological devices.

I've just come back from holiday.

• The airport was like the Hunger Games. If the onboard cases get any bigger they are going to have to start putting people in the hold. There was an announcement at the start of the flight to say noone is allowed to lie or sleep in the gangway, so clearly that's been a thing for them to have to spell it out.
• every morning, two big families came to the pool, put down their towels then fucked off, not returning until late afternoon. Every day there was an argument with staff as to why the towels had been moved.
• I could go on, but the worst was in a restaurant and a cat was doing the rounds of the tables. A child of about 8/9 sat on the floor to play with it. The cat wanted to look for food but the child wanted to keep playing. When the cat walked off, the child hit it. The mother comforted the child. (I gave her my teacher look and made her cry, mother was unimpressed.)

At a farm attraction yesterday. DC1 and I were waiting for DC2 and DH. There was a family with newly walking toddler at a gate thinking it was cute and taking photos. DS2 and DH arrived, photos continued, we approached the gate with another family, photos continued. Given that they'd been blocking the gate for 2-3 mins at this point with repeated photos, I did end up walking into the line of photos as I said "excuse me"

They probably thought I was rude for the way I approached, but they'd been an obstruction for a prolonged period by that point. Two families walking through quenched any complaints though. They didn't appologise.
If it had been one quick snap, I'd have waited, but that moment was long gone.

The problem is when people are acting beyond behaviour expectations, there's the risk with challenging them that they won't accept their error and appologise, and there's a fair chance that you could get a load of abuse for it.

The population has grown and it's got harder to find quiet places, especially when you're stuck with rigid school holidays. Also information spreading via social media spreads people more into previously quiet, niche places.

We have to normalise challenging this behaviour when it feels safe to do so. Don’t be aggressive but do be assertive.

Your music is disturbing everyone in the carriage. Please can you use headphones. And if they don’t, find the train manager.

Agree op. People are just c*nts.x

I think the backbone has gone out of society. I remember as a kid police officers were over 6ft and woebetide if you did anything wrong. The fear was enough to keep you on the straight and narrow. People not even bothered about them or even getting into trouble now.

Have you tried glaring at them while looking a bit deranged ? Works 50%. In a restaurant/airplane I would tell the waiter/cabin crew. If I can't move in the bus I would ask the person to make less noise. Either that or glare unhingedly depending on which mood I am.

There needs to be signs in carriages on trains and tannoy announcements regarding speaker phones and blaring music and videos.

People need to be told how to behave in modern Britain. There is no high trust society anymore, people have to be told.

So much has changed. A real shift in attitudes and entitlement. I went to see my dad’s name in the Book of Remembrance at the local crematorium last Monday. Usually a lovely peaceful place. The visit was ruined by a group of pensioners talking loudly and roaring with laughter. Cunts

I've thought this. It's never nice music, usually heavy drum and base or else horrible grime or rap.

Phones and video calls and tech without headphones are dire. I tell people every single time - mostly they do respond.

Definitely more dogs around. I don’t mind this but can see it’s not a welcome change if you do.

The kid screaming by the sea - I think that could easily have been 30 years ago.

I’m not sure people are less considerate, but tech has blurred the line between public and private space, so they are less aware.

That’s a bit extreme PP, I’m sure it was annoying but presumably they were there to remember a mate.

Trashy people have trashy taste in music.

I think you just thought they were tall because you were a kid. I am older than you and I don’t remember being frightened of police officers or anyone really.

But next time someone annoys you with their music - ask them to turn it down. Mostly they do.

Maybe but have some respect

Quite literally ALWAYS utter crap, isn’t it. It’s like a sign of bad taste: they have no idea what real music is, and no idea about noise pollution. Either they are rhino’s in human bodies, or their nervous systems are utterly dead.Honestly, they must be zombies, blasting out those aggressive dirges. I think their quality of life is rock pool level.

I do this too! I realised I was the one always stepping aside, letting people (read: men) passed. So I stopped - now I carry on, shoulders back…have literally nearly been knocked over by men who appear not to see me….!!

Absolutely agree, I hope I’m remembered with roars of laughter!

I so wish we could get our police force back. I really miss them.

I feel since the 1950s, and perhaps previous to that, the older generations have also looked down on the manners and behaviour of those younger than them.

You are getting old.

If you ask my mum, she was saying all this stuff back in the 90s about how terrible the world is compared to when she was younger.

The older you get, the less self involved you are and are more likely to be intolerant of other people. Having been around when mobile phones were a new thing, I promise you, people having loud conversations on the phone was way more common than it is now. Toddlers throwing tantrums is not a new thing either.

Live and let live, stick some earphones in and get on with your day. If you hate dogs, stop going to dog friendly places.

It’s been happening for centuries.

No it was policy. They had to be six foot plus.