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Still think Two Tier justice does not exist?

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rubicustellitall · 15/08/2025 15:00

Ricky Jones found not guilty..my flabber has never been so ghasted!
Anyone have any views..

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MerryPearlWriter · 19/08/2025 10:55

pointythings · 19/08/2025 10:50

Sentencing guidelines aren't just about having previous convictions or not. They're much broader than that. This is written into law. I am sorry that you see pointing out the facts of our legal system as 'hysterical '. However, facts matter.

If you think sentencing guidelines includes people tweeting about "playing the mental health " card and that's the bar you're setting, millions would be arrested. Are those the " priors"? She's a political prisoner and not the only one who are serving longer prison terms that people who commit GBH

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 19/08/2025 10:57

MerryPearlWriter · 19/08/2025 10:55

If you think sentencing guidelines includes people tweeting about "playing the mental health " card and that's the bar you're setting, millions would be arrested. Are those the " priors"? She's a political prisoner and not the only one who are serving longer prison terms that people who commit GBH

She is not a political prisoner, you're being ridiculous now.

SerendipityJane · 19/08/2025 10:58

BeLilacExpert · 18/08/2025 22:04

It's English language actually

Not at all

This is where the class are invited to write an essay about what a character was intending from the text. Gripping stuff.

What did Arthur Huntingdon mean when he said to his posse "Take her, for all I care !" about his abused wife ?

We need to know.

pointythings · 19/08/2025 10:58

MerryPearlWriter · 19/08/2025 10:53

For tweeting "Set fire to hotels for all I care" - absolutely not. A sensible course of action would have been a warning from police and at a push malicious communications. Actions matter, not words. Religious books have verses which incite murder so what about them? It doesn't mean people act on words does it.

OK, so you're unhappy with the law. That is your right. This particular law was put into the statute books under Margaret Thatcher, it isn't new.

However, right now, this law is as it is. It was correctly applied. You don't have to like that, but it's a fact.

We can have a discussion about how the legal system could be changed to better incorporate the digital age we live in. We can discuss whether we should have jury trials or not. But that isn't the topic of this thread.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 19/08/2025 10:58

MerryPearlWriter · 19/08/2025 10:53

For tweeting "Set fire to hotels for all I care" - absolutely not. A sensible course of action would have been a warning from police and at a push malicious communications. Actions matter, not words. Religious books have verses which incite murder so what about them? It doesn't mean people act on words does it.

In your opinion it wasn't a crime but the police and courts disagreed. Connolly pleaded guilty to her crime and was sentenced according to the guidelines.

Actions matter, not words is just silly. Lots of crimes involve words eg slander, hate crime, harassment. Jones was prosecuted for saying words, do you think he was innocent?

pointythings · 19/08/2025 10:59

MerryPearlWriter · 19/08/2025 10:55

If you think sentencing guidelines includes people tweeting about "playing the mental health " card and that's the bar you're setting, millions would be arrested. Are those the " priors"? She's a political prisoner and not the only one who are serving longer prison terms that people who commit GBH

The statement from the CPS regarding the sentencing is linked on this thread. Have you read it?

PandoraSocks · 19/08/2025 11:01

MerryPearlWriter · 19/08/2025 10:27

She had no previous criminal record. Tweeting about "playing the mental health card" to followers on twitter with laughing emojis isn't a crime. Please stop this utter nonsense and hysteria.

She didn't tweet that to her followers. It was a private message. Maybe at least get your facts right, Merry.

PandoraSocks · 19/08/2025 11:02

I wonder when the flounce part of the routine will occur?

MerryPearlWriter · 19/08/2025 11:04

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 19/08/2025 10:54

Why not?

She tweeted at a time of significantly heightened tensions with the clear intention of stirring up those tensions and encouraging people to set fire to buildings full of innocent people. And in fact, people did attempt to set fire to some of those buildings.

You can attempt to minimise what she did by pretending that it was "just one tweet", but the evidence points very clearly to the fact that she was inciting racial hatred. And LC admitted that she was guilty of that offence.

If she had chosen to plead not guilty, then perhaps she could have persuaded a jury that she wasn't guilty of that offence after all. We will never know. However, I suspect that she chose to enter the guilty plea because she realised that the evidence wasn't on her side.

You keep implying there are other tweets - share them or stop the nonsense. Tweeting for all I care isn't encouraging anything, it's an angry poorly thought out tweet which she later deleted. Just stop the hysteria. A tweet that crosses the threshold of incitement would be " Let's go to a hotel on * street and set it alight at 2pm where migrants are" rather than a generic tweet of "for alI care". If a collection of brainless morons go out and kill people based on films like the Purge you don't arrest the director. You don't arrest people for not caring if hotels burn - apathy isn't a crime despite your repeated lines about " inciting racial hatred". She was wrong to plead guilty and received terrible legal advice based on the fact people like Mark heath who said similar pleaded not guilty and never went to prison. No one should be jailed for ignorance or poor legal counsel.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 19/08/2025 11:04

PandoraSocks · 19/08/2025 11:02

I wonder when the flounce part of the routine will occur?

Don't think we've had the allegations of bullying yet? Don't they come first?

MerryPearlWriter · 19/08/2025 11:08

MiloMinderbinder925 · 19/08/2025 10:58

In your opinion it wasn't a crime but the police and courts disagreed. Connolly pleaded guilty to her crime and was sentenced according to the guidelines.

Actions matter, not words is just silly. Lots of crimes involve words eg slander, hate crime, harassment. Jones was prosecuted for saying words, do you think he was innocent?

Jones was out in public infront of a crowd - people make out cyber crime is equal to being there in person but it isn't. There are other aggrevating factors such as him saying "Slit their throats" and there is no "for all I care" which indicates indifference as he was literally inciting murder. Even then, if he had received a suspended sentence I wouldn't have an issue with it as my stance of actions matter more than words, but you can't jail a tweeter and let that go unpunished. It is two tier and a terrible indictment on the justice system.

PandoraSocks · 19/08/2025 11:09

Mark heath who said similar pleaded not guilty and never went to prison

Mark Heath chose to plead not guilty and went to trial by jury. He was found not guilty. Exactly like Ricky Jones.

The two cases are far more comparable than Connolly and Jones.

But anyway, the LC supporters will never accept the reality, so waste of time arguing.

twistyizzy · 19/08/2025 11:11

PandoraSocks · 19/08/2025 11:09

Mark heath who said similar pleaded not guilty and never went to prison

Mark Heath chose to plead not guilty and went to trial by jury. He was found not guilty. Exactly like Ricky Jones.

The two cases are far more comparable than Connolly and Jones.

But anyway, the LC supporters will never accept the reality, so waste of time arguing.

Why give up now, you've been going for 37 pages!

MerryPearlWriter · 19/08/2025 11:11

PandoraSocks · 19/08/2025 11:01

She didn't tweet that to her followers. It was a private message. Maybe at least get your facts right, Merry.

She tweeted it which means her followers saw it, it wasn't a public community group. Twitter/x is a public platform but it wasn't hash tagged or in a community. Someone would literally have to go on her profile to find it ( which they did)

MerryPearlWriter · 19/08/2025 11:12

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SerendipityJane · 19/08/2025 11:14

ChatGPT says:

This thread seems to centre around a false equivalence that something which is not in category A is the same as something which is in category B.

In such cases, traditional Aristotelian logic will fail, as each path to conclusion relies on a logical inconsistency in one or both of the individual positions established as the premise for the debate.

In traditional debating circles this phenomenon is known as a false dichotomy, and has been observed in the heart of many contentious debates that could not be resolved.

PandoraSocks · 19/08/2025 11:14

MerryPearlWriter · 19/08/2025 11:11

She tweeted it which means her followers saw it, it wasn't a public community group. Twitter/x is a public platform but it wasn't hash tagged or in a community. Someone would literally have to go on her profile to find it ( which they did)

She didn't tweet it, Merry. Have a read of the appeal documents, all publically available.🙂

DuncinToffee · 19/08/2025 11:14

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Out of interest, how did you find this particular thread?

SerendipityJane · 19/08/2025 11:15

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I hope the algorithm that generates usernames is a bit more subtle.

MerryPearlWriter · 19/08/2025 11:16

DuncinToffee · 19/08/2025 11:14

Out of interest, how did you find this particular thread?

It's being circulated on other forums with the general consensus the contributors are barking mad - not my words but you did ask.

SerendipityJane · 19/08/2025 11:16

MerryPearlWriter · 19/08/2025 11:16

It's being circulated on other forums with the general consensus the contributors are barking mad - not my words but you did ask.

Cosi fan tutti.

PandoraSocks · 19/08/2025 11:16

MerryPearlWriter · 19/08/2025 11:16

It's being circulated on other forums with the general consensus the contributors are barking mad - not my words but you did ask.

Some of them certainly are.

MerryPearlWriter · 19/08/2025 11:17

PandoraSocks · 19/08/2025 11:14

She didn't tweet it, Merry. Have a read of the appeal documents, all publically available.🙂

Yes she did tweet it - it was a tweet.

DuncinToffee · 19/08/2025 11:17

MerryPearlWriter · 19/08/2025 11:16

It's being circulated on other forums with the general consensus the contributors are barking mad - not my words but you did ask.

That explains the influx

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