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Thread 15: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 14/08/2025 10:52

The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The 14 Observer items currently available on their online 'The real Salt Path' page: The real Salt Path | The Observer

4 more from The Observer:
‘Hope is extinguished’: CBD patients respond to Salt Path...

The real Salt Path | The Observer (The Slow Newscast)

(Live/online event)

The Observer YouTube Channel: The Observer UK - YouTube

Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement: Raynor Winn

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Threads 2-11: Links all in the OP of Thread 12

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New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from at least some of the Observer items above before posting. There are currently a number of interesting items on The Observer website and linked to above.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for fourteen very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

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Keep to the path. No saltiness. May the fudge be with you.

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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SunlitUpland · 16/08/2025 09:05

Divegirl65 · 16/08/2025 08:51

Reading this passage again I have a few comments (as an ex - UK diver).

  • if they had their fins (she calls them flippers) in their hands they would be walking normally and NOT as described (penguins).
  • the function of the dry suit is to keep all water out. Obviously your head/hair will get wet. But as long as the seals on your wrists and neck are working your body will be dry. So the description of her standing dripping in her bikini is odd.
  • you don't wear a wetsuit under your dry suit! You wear warm clothing. Even in the summer I used to wear a thick thermal under suit which is shapeless and NOT figure hugging. The thinner you are the more insulation you need when diving.

I’m no diver, but I did think that the double ‘wet suit’ and the diver still being wet underneath made very little sense, unless there was a malfunction, in which case she’d probably be visibly irritated with her kit, rather than performing what is presented as a breathy-voiced striptease in front a bunch of elderly fishermen.

Catwith69lives · 16/08/2025 09:05

TheBrandyPath · 16/08/2025 08:45

"Almost like a schoolgirl copying and pasting a paragraph from Wikipedia into their essay."
This is what I think about a lot of it! A review from 2019:

The Salt Path, Raynor Winn – The Book Lovers' Sanctuary

The map of the SWCP emphasises to me that the section from Minehead to Polperro (385miles) which comprises the bulk of TSP and seems to have been walked mostly in 2013, is a lot more interesting than the section from Polperro to Poole (245 miles).

Its the same with TSP - the sections that are walked in 2015 after the CBD diagnosis are the most boring and uneventful (days passed etc)

Thread 15: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
TonstantWeader · 16/08/2025 09:17

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 15/08/2025 21:44

@catwith69lives thanks for posting that comment from someone about schooldays cheating.

I must have missed this, can you tell me date/time please, so I can read, thanks

It’s in the thread gallery, about half way along, as Cat cleverly posted it as a picture. Hope that helps 🙂

Divegirl65 · 16/08/2025 09:22

SunlitUpland · 16/08/2025 09:05

I’m no diver, but I did think that the double ‘wet suit’ and the diver still being wet underneath made very little sense, unless there was a malfunction, in which case she’d probably be visibly irritated with her kit, rather than performing what is presented as a breathy-voiced striptease in front a bunch of elderly fishermen.

Taken her 'Drysuit' off and kicked it round the car park perhaps!

We would come back from a dive and usually head back to our vehicles before starting to take our kit off. Rather than standing in front of a cafe in a group and doing it.

Uricon2 · 16/08/2025 09:39

Thanks for that link @TheBrandyPath , interesting piece

I’m done, I’m just done. I can’t do this. I feel shivery…’
Moth was shivering, but burning hot, his joints aching and feeling nauseous.

This stood out for me. There are several things this could indicate (one being sepsis but I realise I'm a bit sensitive on that subject) and none of them good. I haven't got the book but would be interested to know how long it took him to feel well enough to continue. If I were Salray I'd have been terrified and doing all I could to summon medical help.

TheBrandyPath · 16/08/2025 09:40

Catwith69lives · 16/08/2025 09:05

The map of the SWCP emphasises to me that the section from Minehead to Polperro (385miles) which comprises the bulk of TSP and seems to have been walked mostly in 2013, is a lot more interesting than the section from Polperro to Poole (245 miles).

Its the same with TSP - the sections that are walked in 2015 after the CBD diagnosis are the most boring and uneventful (days passed etc)

Edited

Well, it isn't going to be very interesting if you haven't done it?

In earlier interviews IzSalRay says that they didn't do the Isle of Portland - and they will go back and do the 40 miles they missed.

Subsequently, she always repeats that they did all 630 miles, like a mantra.

Tealeaf3 · 16/08/2025 09:55

User14March · 16/08/2025 08:33

One or two do appear to be them or linked to them.

That was definitely my feeling, the bit on the smallholders forum about shedloads of books being shipped off around the world seemed to me to be a product of Sal/ Tim’s imagination, and to further the impression that it was a genuine book- funnily enough several posters seemed very suspicious , saying at one point “ we’ve been scammed by the best before”

User14March · 16/08/2025 09:56

Tealeaf3 · 16/08/2025 09:55

That was definitely my feeling, the bit on the smallholders forum about shedloads of books being shipped off around the world seemed to me to be a product of Sal/ Tim’s imagination, and to further the impression that it was a genuine book- funnily enough several posters seemed very suspicious , saying at one point “ we’ve been scammed by the best before”

Agree - can someone link to it here.

Tealeaf3 · 16/08/2025 10:05

User14March · 16/08/2025 09:56

Agree - can someone link to it here.

Previous searches brought it up- not appearing on Google searches now- could she have managed to get it taken down? Got some screenshots of the whole conversation I took ages ago- will post them when I find them

SunlitUpland · 16/08/2025 10:06

I only saw the film a couple of weeks ago, long after the Observer stories, but one of the things that struck me was that, as acted by GA and JI, in the early stages of the film, GA is often walking ahead by herself while JI walks with evident difficulty, dragging one leg, some way behind her. (There are also scenes where she’s helping him, though usually on steep slopes or steps.)

I wondered whether that would have been an obvious question for the two actors to have asked the Walkers — did you walk side by side when the path permitted? When it didn’t, who was in front? Given that Moth was struggling, did he fall behind, often? Did you walk on ahead and let him catch up, or did you always walk at his pace?

Thst would seem like one of the first questions to ask the RL people you’re playing, when you’re about to make a film where half the shots are two people walking, so I wondered if that was what the Walkers had said they did, because the more obvious portrayal, in view of them being a mutually adoring couple, would have been for them always to be walking together, or for ‘Raynor’ to be always helping ‘Moth’ along.

I did find GA’s playing of ‘Raynor’ interestingly steely, compared to the much more klutzy and down-home way SW portrays herself as being in TSP. But of course GA is absolutely right to have thought SW was “‘guarded’. She probably watched loads of her interviews before they started filming. You wouldn’t necessarily notice the guardedness in one, but watch a whole bunch (as many of us on here have), and even without any of the Observer backstory, you couldn’t help but notice how scripted her responses are, how long her answers are (to fend off left of field question, to set out the script herself) , always hitting the same points (Mars bar in tea, rebuilt our Welsh farmhouse with own hands, children, sheep frolicking, diagnosis, under the stairs, the path, always had a connection to nature etc etc).

I wonder now whether GA, who is not a fool, wasn’t basing her performance in part on the RL woman she met, rather than the ‘Raynor’ of TSP, who is much more down-home and vulnerable than the SW one sees in interviews.

I’m not suggesting she’d somehow figured out the backstory by herself, just that her performance suggests she didn’t take the ‘Raynor’ character of the book as gospel.

Tealeaf3 · 16/08/2025 10:06

Ooh good, so it is still there- don’t know why I couldn’t find it again

Peladon · 16/08/2025 10:11

Tealeaf3 · 16/08/2025 10:05

Previous searches brought it up- not appearing on Google searches now- could she have managed to get it taken down? Got some screenshots of the whole conversation I took ages ago- will post them when I find them

Was working a few minutes ago when I pasted the link, but now getting a CloudFlare error message saying to try again later. I also noticed a query talking about "Moving to Llyn Peninsula", which might be worth a look when the site comes back to life.

SunlitUpland · 16/08/2025 10:12

Tealeaf3 · 16/08/2025 09:55

That was definitely my feeling, the bit on the smallholders forum about shedloads of books being shipped off around the world seemed to me to be a product of Sal/ Tim’s imagination, and to further the impression that it was a genuine book- funnily enough several posters seemed very suspicious , saying at one point “ we’ve been scammed by the best before”

And wasn’t there a comment on what purported to be Izzy Wynn Thomas’s blog about a local bookshop owner who’d refused to stock her book, while thousands of copies were supposedly being shipped overseas?

Tealeaf3 · 16/08/2025 10:13

Peladon · 16/08/2025 10:11

Was working a few minutes ago when I pasted the link, but now getting a CloudFlare error message saying to try again later. I also noticed a query talking about "Moving to Llyn Peninsula", which might be worth a look when the site comes back to life.

Sally’s fingerprints all over it, especially the condescending tone she used with the person who liked Terry Pratchett

Peladon · 16/08/2025 10:17

My recollection is that "Gangani" said that they had shipped books to four countries, one poster jokingly commented that in that case their intended purchase would be the fifth (ie implying only one copy of the book sent to each country), and Gangani didn't like the joke. The poster was probably closer to the truth than they realised!

User14March · 16/08/2025 10:20

Tealeaf3 · 16/08/2025 10:05

Previous searches brought it up- not appearing on Google searches now- could she have managed to get it taken down? Got some screenshots of the whole conversation I took ages ago- will post them when I find them

I thought it was just me - possibly (?)

Jennalong · 16/08/2025 10:27

Tealeaf3 · 16/08/2025 10:13

Sally’s fingerprints all over it, especially the condescending tone she used with the person who liked Terry Pratchett

Who's not to say she has heard there is a long-running discussion about them / the books on here and has joined us !

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 16/08/2025 10:31

SunlitUpland · 16/08/2025 10:12

And wasn’t there a comment on what purported to be Izzy Wynn Thomas’s blog about a local bookshop owner who’d refused to stock her book, while thousands of copies were supposedly being shipped overseas?

Bookshops - at least, many of them - won't stock self published books. The quality can be too variable. Some will, particularly if they get to meet the author beforehand, or the author goes in personally and asks them to stock the book. Which might mean that the local bookshop owner that 'Izzy Wynn Thomas' asked to stock HNTDDD either didn't want books whose quality he couldn't guarantee - or that he didn't much like IWT.

User14March · 16/08/2025 10:33

SunlitUpland · 16/08/2025 10:06

I only saw the film a couple of weeks ago, long after the Observer stories, but one of the things that struck me was that, as acted by GA and JI, in the early stages of the film, GA is often walking ahead by herself while JI walks with evident difficulty, dragging one leg, some way behind her. (There are also scenes where she’s helping him, though usually on steep slopes or steps.)

I wondered whether that would have been an obvious question for the two actors to have asked the Walkers — did you walk side by side when the path permitted? When it didn’t, who was in front? Given that Moth was struggling, did he fall behind, often? Did you walk on ahead and let him catch up, or did you always walk at his pace?

Thst would seem like one of the first questions to ask the RL people you’re playing, when you’re about to make a film where half the shots are two people walking, so I wondered if that was what the Walkers had said they did, because the more obvious portrayal, in view of them being a mutually adoring couple, would have been for them always to be walking together, or for ‘Raynor’ to be always helping ‘Moth’ along.

I did find GA’s playing of ‘Raynor’ interestingly steely, compared to the much more klutzy and down-home way SW portrays herself as being in TSP. But of course GA is absolutely right to have thought SW was “‘guarded’. She probably watched loads of her interviews before they started filming. You wouldn’t necessarily notice the guardedness in one, but watch a whole bunch (as many of us on here have), and even without any of the Observer backstory, you couldn’t help but notice how scripted her responses are, how long her answers are (to fend off left of field question, to set out the script herself) , always hitting the same points (Mars bar in tea, rebuilt our Welsh farmhouse with own hands, children, sheep frolicking, diagnosis, under the stairs, the path, always had a connection to nature etc etc).

I wonder now whether GA, who is not a fool, wasn’t basing her performance in part on the RL woman she met, rather than the ‘Raynor’ of TSP, who is much more down-home and vulnerable than the SW one sees in interviews.

I’m not suggesting she’d somehow figured out the backstory by herself, just that her performance suggests she didn’t take the ‘Raynor’ character of the book as gospel.

I think you might be on to something here.

JI has said he spoke to Moth about how he dragged his leg for all/most of journey - did he?

Ray on Coast programme is keen to almost boast to Portillo about how taking breaks in climb a really bad idea & how they pushed themselves. It felt to me as if she did the climb on her own - almost - odd.

Moth somewhere has spoken about Ray not being someone you cross. A sharp intake of breath means she’s about to berate you.

TheBrandyPath · 16/08/2025 10:34

Tealeaf3 · 16/08/2025 10:05

Previous searches brought it up- not appearing on Google searches now- could she have managed to get it taken down? Got some screenshots of the whole conversation I took ages ago- will post them when I find them

I have noticed that, increasingly, searches are failing on Google - whereas Bing instantly brings up this, and other items, instantly.

I have no vested interest in this - the companies are both as bad as each other. I have had vexing experience regarding the inaccuracy of Google addresses, though.

Fandango52 · 16/08/2025 10:37

User14March · 16/08/2025 10:33

I think you might be on to something here.

JI has said he spoke to Moth about how he dragged his leg for all/most of journey - did he?

Ray on Coast programme is keen to almost boast to Portillo about how taking breaks in climb a really bad idea & how they pushed themselves. It felt to me as if she did the climb on her own - almost - odd.

Moth somewhere has spoken about Ray not being someone you cross. A sharp intake of breath means she’s about to berate you.

Moth somewhere has spoken about Ray not being someone you cross. A sharp intake of breath means she’s about to berate you.

Oh yes, I remember that. That’s from this Sunday Times article: https://archive.ph/qK8uj.

Looking back at it now after reading all these threads and CH’s articles, it irks me that they refer to them as ‘RW and her terminally ill husband’… Although they obviously didn’t know then what was to come out, and we still don’t know the extent of Moth’s health problems - and may never know.

AzureStaffy · 16/08/2025 10:43

@SunlitUpland "I did find GA’s playing of ‘Raynor’ interestingly steely, compared to the much more klutzy and down-home way SW portrays herself as being in TSP."

Fascinating that you picked up on this because Gillian Anderson saw it when she met SalRay. Quote from Guardian:

"What were Anderson’s first impressions of Raynor? “I was surprised at how guarded she was,” she says. “Of course, it must be strange: you’ve got two relatively famous actors who are going to play you showing up at your house. But it was interesting to encounter a certain steeliness. It was informative for me to see that.” “

TheBrandyPath · 16/08/2025 10:44

Tealeaf3 · 16/08/2025 10:13

Sally’s fingerprints all over it, especially the condescending tone she used with the person who liked Terry Pratchett

Well now you mention him:

Om, a Discworld God occupying the body of a tortoise. Om had been out on the astral plane and attempted to assume the shape of a bull three years ago, but instead turned into a tortoise.

TheBrandyPath · 16/08/2025 10:48

@AzureStaffy “Of course, it must be strange: you’ve got two relatively famous actors who are going to play you showing up at your house. But it was interesting to encounter a certain steeliness. It was informative for me to see that.” “

Yes, and even more - compare and contrast Jason, who is jumping all over the place and describes Tim as the nicest person he has ever met.

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