Uk is in big trouble - what do you think will happen?

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Thames water on brink of collapse. All those CEOs getting fat bonuses. Water shortages and rising bills.

the cost of living is off the chart. Every bill has gone up. Pop in to Tesco for toothpaste, butter and chicken and it costs an insane amount for just a few items.

the government are crap and taxing the hell out of us.

my salary is stuck. I feel constantly poor now. 10 years ago when I earned significantly less, I felt ok money wise. Chatted today to a colleague about science graduate son who is stuck doing a minimum wage job as there are no jobs here. I’ve noticed this myself in my town. The council have a few, other companies outsourced to India years ago, the pharma company moved out years ago and the land will soon be a new housing estate.

the nhs is a total mess.

housing costs make me want to weep! No chance of moving. Feel bad for my kids. They just keep building expensive houses here all packed into poorly designed estates. Tiny gardens. But no infrastructure. The promised schools get cancelled and drs surgeries and hospitals are rammed with patients. My mortgage of course is up.

in my industry… everyone is obsessed with AI and I’m sad to say it has taken some jobs already. There is a huge push towards AI.

there seems to be underlying tension here re migrants. People getting increasingly annoyed.

this country feels like a right mess. Making rich people richer and poor people even poorer. The middle earners are getting squeezed. I hate it.

i don’t remember it being this bad ever before.

why is it so terrible? And what do you think will happen?

The people I know who've needed diagnosis and treatment on the NHS have had to pay privately or face waiting up to a year (gynae in some places)
I think the NHS is excellent for cancer care, palliative care and critical care but anything none life threatening is a private matter now if you want to be seen promptly.

Honestly I think over the next couple of decades or so there will be a gradual shift in world power with China and India taking over as the world leading countries. We will be a bankrupt hovel. Somewhere like Greece/turkey economically, maybe not even that good. I think the welfare system may well collapse, councils collapse. Will be everyone for themselves.

I don't know. Maybe get involved in local issues and make a difference that way? We all need to be part of a solution and try to make things better. Brits love to moan but get off arse to actually do something, no way.
Anyone saying the 70s were better needs their head seeing to. Good luck finding childcare or a job with maternity leave or having complaints of sexual harrassment at work taken seriously in the 70s.

Will be everyone for themselves.

It’s been that way ever since Thatcher told us there is no such thing as society.

Yes, facts matter and you're completely making things up. I don't think I've had such a bizarre exchange because what I wrote is evidenced in black and white.

You originally said that illegal immigrants get housing - no they don't. Illegal immigrants aren't entitled to housing.

and your response was there is no issue, it doesn't matter how many people come into the country illegally or legally, the fact that the social net does not exist adequately for existing residents is completely irrelevant, we as a country can accommodate whomever comes in and there are no problems at all. Do I have that right?

I didn't say that at all. You made it up.

To answer your question about traffickers - traffickers is a term used to describe people who are acting outside the law and one of the things they do is bring people from outside the UK into the UK but not by legal channels - are you aware of that? Are you saying there is no issue with traffickers, no risk, and the UK should do nothing to stop traffickers?

I asked what you were talking about regarding traffickers. People smugglers bring people to Europe for a price. Human traffickers exploit people and move them from one area to another. They're not the same thing. Of course the UK should do something about traffickers, it's illegal and they exploit people.

I haven't asked for a spreadsheet, I'm asking you for the names of towns which are now no go areas. I haven't claimed that there are towns which are no go areas, so why would I share my 'sources'?

Agreed.

They’ll squeeze the middle to grow the welfare state, until the middle lose their spending power. Level down complete.

The economy will collapse. Businesses will close. People will lose jobs. More reliance on the state will be the status quo, but there will be no more money.

Anyone with any wealth or sense will have left the UK. It will be like a third world country.

I’ve told my son to move and move as soon as possible. He’s 20.

This is like a list of Daily Mail headlines.

Who is "they"?

Yep 😁

But I didn't make any claims, Pandora. Is the thing. I shared opinions of people, as anecdotal evidence. Do you see the difference?

I didn't ask for evidence in the post you quoted - I asked the poster for their personal opinions, as to whether I had stated their opinions correctly. Do you see the difference?

You made claims and I asked for evidence. Any chance of that now?

Mutter, mutter, shadowy officials lurking dark forces mutter mutter
something like that anyway 😁

Not really, it’s just not Labour approved.

Anyone who isn't hoarding cans of beans because the end is nigh.

The doctors have been on strike again as I'm sure you're aware? Article linked re nhs appointments.
Of course you'll see an adept politician when you see Starmer. I see a buffering, lying fool. We'll have to agree to disagree. Re your comments on Cleverly, I haven't seen any of that, so cannot comment. I tuned out of the news when I heard that there would be another meeting of the so called coalition of the willing.
It would be helpful if you could @ me instead of just c&p my post. It's easy to miss otherwise.
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-say-theres-been-a-massive-increase-in-nhs-appointments-this-begs-to-differ-13372714

What will happen if she doesn't?

Really? Is that what you read? I prefer the times personally. Each to their own.

Why not Labour? The party in power.

Your posts are nonsense, sorry.

So to try again - you quoted me "and your response was there is no issue, it doesn't matter how many people come into the country illegally or legally, the fact that the social net does not exist adequately for existing residents is completely irrelevant, we as a country can accommodate whomever comes in and there are no problems at all. Do I have that right?" and you then said "I didn't say that at all. You made it up." - so you are saying there is in fact an issue for the UK in relation to the sheer numbers coming in? Because you gave the distinct impression it was a non issue in your other posts (as did you friend Pandora who said anyone who thought there was an issue was a "stupid racist") Perhaps you could be clear about what you DO think?

As for the towns read my response again - zero chance I am going to be emailing people I know to get the exact names of all the places they were talking to for you, sorry.

That’s up to mnhq but repeating a deleted attack isn’t the best way to go.

No. I could do it. But MNHQ might not like it as it would end up a TAAT. Or a TA various threads.

Link the threads then.

"talking about" not "talking to"

I find that very unlikely. One of the most incoherent things about Reform is that it is advocating tax cuts while appealing for the votes of people who live in areas of very high benefit reliance.

Farage is not a Thatcherite. He’s a very limited and spectacularly self-interested man with no political philosophy.* He’s not going to upset the angry Reformists by taking away their benefits.

*Not unlike Starmer.

There's a strange case of projection going on here. You are making stuff up. I didn't say what you are accusing me of saying and secondly you made it up that some towns are no go areas because you can't name any.

I had you down as a Telegraph reader. That will teach me to pigeon hole.